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>>Internet Love Machine  17oct2021(su)13:50  No.87483  OP  P1
Data dump/archiving

Hi, I was wondering if it's possible to archive everything in this site. I realize the site itself is an archive, but sites go down, people pass away or lose interest, so it's better to have backups.

221701 files is a lot, so I'd be willing to reimburse you with Monero if you'd be willing to make a data dump or let me crawl the site or make a torrent or something similar.

I have stumbled upon this site a few times and have found stuff that's only hosted here. It's a great archive of internet culture and it would be a waste it if went away in 5, 10 or 100 years.

>>Internet Love Machine  17oct2021(su)14:16  No.87484  OP  P2
Also, http://www.fastswf.com/ is shutting down (don't know if you knew and whether telling you this would be useful for archival reasons or other things).
>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  17oct2021(su)15:36  No.87485  SWF  P3R1
I understand what you mean but at the time I prefer to not give out copies of the site. I don't plan to shut it down and if I did I would try to at least send static files to archive.org, they contacted me a couple of years ago.

I suspect some data hoarders collaborated to back up swfchan's flashes at the end of last year, so if I get hit by a bus tomorrow those files should hopefully surface. I don't know for sure but there was a steep increase in traffic for many days, slowing the site a lot, which is why I suspect there was some kind of archiving effort of the archive before the deadline Adobe had set.

I've been thinking about making a torrent someday (using the most popular filenames and a meaningful folder structure), but that would probably be done after all the flashes from newgrounds.com have been added to the site. I'm putting that off into the future since there are many, many thousands of swf files pending and few people that browse here will want to watch them. Once the site's visitor count is truly abysmal and the creation of new flashes have all but dried up, that's when it would be optimal to make a torrent. Could throw in some metadata as well so it's a good idea to wait a while so people can tag as much as possible.

>>Internet Love Machine  17oct2021(su)15:45  No.87486  OP  P4R2
Thanks for the detailed answer! And thanks for allowing people to post via Tor without the obnoxious ReCaptcha. And for caring about preserving flash files. :)
>>Anonymous  17oct2021(su)18:55  No.87488  B  P5R3
>>87485
But will anyone sidding this torrent?
>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  18oct2021(mo)04:13  No.87512  SWF  P6R4
>>87488
I'd set up a seed and/or if possible get Internet Archive to seed the torrent (unless they reject it for some reason). Putting the torrent over there will also make its content accessible via HTTP.
https://archive.org/details/bittorrent?tab=about
https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360004 715251-Archive-BitTorrents
>>sneed  2nov2021(tu)05:21  No.87833  C  P7R5
Would be an idea to maybe generate a list of files with id no and MD5 hashes or something and send that into archive.org first.
would be useful for checking what you have and what you don't and finding them again
Probably be quicker and cheaper to mail them a physical hard disk with the files backed up if archive.org accept.
>>Anonymous  4nov2021(th)01:55  No.87882  D  P8R6
>>87512
Does archive even allow porn?
>>sneed  4nov2021(th)09:05  No.87886  C  P9R7
>>87882
Technically but you need to have normie friendly packaging and content warning.
merely doing a search for NSFW on archive.org gets you several results.

Because there is still flash being discovered daily i think it would make sense to split it up into multiple torrents so maybe what we have so far could be cut up into maybe 20 torrents as seeding and mirroring enormous collections would put a ton of strain on the ones hosting it and you would probably need to use multiple disk drives.

For comparison Flashpoints collection is 874GB swfchan would be way bigger and it would be good to get some seeders for the first parts whilst the next parts upload.

>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  4nov2021(th)14:28  No.87887  SWF  P10R8
Ackchyually

>>87886
All swf files currently in the archive only needs 664.5 GiB in total. The typical self-contained swf file meant to be published on the web is small. Especially on the old web. The 168k swfs from Newgrounds that I haven't added to swfchan yet would need an extra 356.1 GiB.

BlueMaxima's Flashpoint contains many flashes not on swfchan because crawling and archiving coffee-break flash game sites haven't been the focus for me. They also include games not made in flash, which could mean larger files. And games that depends on multiple external swfs can get large when combined. Flashes not self-contained aren't even supported by swfchan (unless the required files are downloaded separately and manually put in the correct folder hierarchy to be played offline).

>>Sneed  6nov2021(sa)07:23  No.87897  C  P11R9
>>87887
Neat, maybe a tracker/search engine is the next step.
Not just for flash but internet archive sites generally although flash would be a great starting point.
There isn't much you can do to save the non self contained flash although someone on archive org did download monk-e-mail and was able to run it offline
Pretty impressive when you look at all the shit you need to run that.
Booting that is tricky though you'd need an instruction manual for most of those flashes.
>>Anonymous  8nov2021(mo)19:03  No.87926  E  P12R10
The datahoarder in me at the very least wants to archive every flash.
That's less useful than also saving all of swfchan's metadata. A good portion of these flashes are useless without extra instructions or context that are present in the archived threads.
>>Sneed  9nov2021(tu)08:38  No.87930  C  P13R11
>>87926
You know how long it would take to give each file one minute of your time?
222000 / 60 / 24 = amount of days not accounting for rest.

You might be able to keep all that data on a hard disk but it's not doing much good there.
Unless you make use of the data
Swfchan has a ton of information on each item if we were to take this data it could be used by a computer program to estimate what the flash is and use that data to categorise them and this could be the basis of a flash search engine.

The next question is how to design the interface so you could casually specify what kind of flash you want to see and the computer finds what matches the description.

You can search this site already I was talking about the hypothetical swf wiki that tracks known flash torrents and the other sites that archive flash and possible ways to use the data to build a more comprehensive flash search engine




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