As some of you may have noticed a great deal of ads has disappeared from the bottom of the site recently. Apparently something about site's with porn not being allowed. This means that swfchan suddenly isn't bearing it's own weight any more, new ads are needed since the single one at the top isn't enough. I liked the old ones since they were pretty clean and rotated a lot. Not just the same old penis/dating/sex ads that the top one always gets.

What I'm however thinking is that I'll just go with the same advertisement place as the top ad comes from since that's easiest. These ads are however not based on a per-view plan like the old bottom ones were, so there's little point in filling the bottom with a million of these ads. Nor do I really want that since that will probably just fill the bottom of the page with a bunch of penises.

So to avoid this wall of penises I might step over to the dark side of advertising and use both pop-ups and "commercial break" type of ads on the site. These two kinds are the most annoying however they also pay the most. They won't appear on every single page view of course, but by doing this swfchan will profit from the many "bounce" visits to the site (people that just visit one page from a search engine and then never visit again, over 30% of the site's visitors are of this kind). I reason that most of the regular visitors use ad block anyway. Of course some don't (bless you), however maybe a popup/commercial break isn't that bad once in a while to help the site?

Of course I'm open to suggestions. This thread is where we debate the advertising future of the site. Maybe you have information leading to pop-ups and commercial breaks not having to be implemented? I should mention that the advertising provider have to support payment through PayPal, though feel free to recommend those that do not.

It would be good if you included some information about your browser etc (whatever you think can be useful) in your report so that I can start looking for a possible bug. But try replying normally first, please.

Using Firefox 3.6.16.

I'm fine with pop-ups if it's to keep the website running.

If you need money, you need money. I'm pretty sure they'll understand.

Btw, how much did those little premium acc things from back when bring in?

If by "premium acc" you mean the "VIP status" I actually got a whooping number of 1 customer. Yup, I sure did enjoy that standard piece of cheese I got from those 5 bucks.

I'm gonna guess that like 4chan, you can't do donations. Hmm...
Sucks you can't use Project Wonderful. I've never seen a policy that actually looked somewhat, reasonably good like theirs, but I guess that's all just very careful PR and I guess that's why they won't do it any more. Fucking shame.

I wish I could help you zoor. Too bad I'm an unemployed student with no driving permit, money, useful programming/computer knowledge, actual skills or friends who's living with his parents and paying out of hand for community college so I can progress to a University student who's only virtually unemployed and just can't get a job that won't sap my very soul out and make my life feel like hell with the hope that I can somehow move on to better things with my degree in robotics, but never will any way. I'm such an optimist.

Commercial breaks? If you mean something like YouTube, I don't think that's such a great idea...
Loading the swf is enough work for crappy computers, I don't think it's good to complicate it too much. Might piss people off besides. I think users tend to associate ad interrruptions, with the whole timer thing and all, on video/swf files with corporate bullshit. I think it *might* make them think you 'sold out' even if you said otherwise. Also, videos really can be pretty annoying.
If it's between those two, I'd stick with pop-ups I guess.
I suppose... is their any way to have the commercial breaks just be still images?

I'm probably very wrong about most or all of this, though.
Good luck Zoor.

Please do your best not to make swfchan look like one of those ad-ridden porn sites with the megaupload button and everything, because I love swfchan and I love you and I stalk you while carrying a blood-stained kitchen knife with my reddened eyes splayed open with a menacing, plastic doll-like grin on my face and I'm a crossdresser that wants to do gay 69 rape with you so we can bear each others mouth-children which I will then raise to become sex slaves after I become your bride, Macky-kun.
But I'm totally straight.

If I get popups I will try my best to make the popups as un-annoying as I can, though I probably won't have that much control over them. They will probably be pornographic since they will be from the same place that I get the top ad from. Come to think of it I'm not even sure they support popups, but I believe they do.

The commercial breaks aren't like those on YouTube (I hate those kind more than any other kind of ads), it's the type that makes a fullscreen overlay on the current page with a little "skip" link in the top right corner.

>I'm gonna guess that like 4chan, you can't do donations
When most people talk donations they think of PayPal, and from what I've heard they have a policy that you can't have porn on your site (or something like that), so that's why I can't use them. In fact that is why Project Wonderful can't have porn sites either they told me, because of PayPal. So why do some advertisers, mentioning no names, still provide porn ads and support PayPal? I guess it just comes down to wheather or not they are willing to break rules and shut up about it. Either that or Project Wonderful was bullshitting me about PayPals anti-porn policy.

I guess I could take donations, IF there was a good anonymous way to do it. Hm, do any of you people use BitCoin...? Nah, I don't really think there are that many interested in donating anyway, not worth the effort. Better stick with ads for now.

>>1029
Point taken, maybe I can try only to have commercial breaks for a while and only add the popups if the commercial breaks don't generate much money. Popups tend to be the type of ad that usually generates the most money online, for some reason. At least it used to be.

The ones that overlay the screen with the skip in the top right corner usually aren't too bad unless they have some excruciatingly slow fade in effect. if you can find some pay per click penis ad and spam it at the bottom it may be somewhat like a donate button(and a forest of rapidly growing cocks). Overall this seems decent enough to have the popup ads with to support swfchan, but it's good to keep this open in case someone has some brilliant idea.

>>1019 i would have thought at least four or five. Dammit I'm hungry for cheese now...

I'm willing to turn off my adblock if it means it'll save this site, I really don't want it to die :c

I'd like to note that of all the revenue generating ads, the commercial break ones are my least favorite. Like it was mentioned before, they all seem to have that long fade in or they make you wait twenty seconds until you can skip the ad. I think they're awful, but if they help the site, I'm all for it.

If there is some way you can accept donations, I'd be all for it. I just looked it up, and PayPal basically said that they don't allow the digital distribution of pornographic media through their site. I would argue that donations likey won't be considered payment for goods or services.

I know 7chan accepts donations through PayPay, as does Futanari Palace. It kinda looks like a grey area policy wise.

I noticed 7chan also accepts donations through a service called AlertPay, which doesn't seems to snub pornography like PayPal kinda seems to. You should take a look at their service.

Could you maybe give us a ballpark figure for how much you need monthly to fund swfchan? If it comes down to it, maybe we could send you some cash via snail mail...

>>1045
very kind of you, appreciate it

>>1046
sure, you can always start a topic about it in /fla/ if you want to. Maybe people will volunteer to help you out? it'll be lots of work but if people are interested enough there's no problem. though there aren't that much traffic here at the moment there's nothing stopping you from linking to the thread if you want to summon people to help out

>>1051
AlertPay seems to take a fixed amount of the donation (not a percentage) and since I probably won't get that many that will eat up most of the money. But judging from what you say the PayPal donations might not be out of question after all. However I'm concerned about my privacy in the matter, for example I don't want to hang out my email for all to see, and less so my name. I'm all for being Anonymous, I only use my nick in "official matters" on this chan, otherwise I'm always anon.

>ballpark figure for how much you need monthly to fund swfchan
I can't really do that, to be honest it's a low monthly figure. The money I get from ads are more for those times that I need to buy new parts for the server, or move it all of a sudden etc. To have something for unexpected events. Hopefully I will be able to get more bandwidth for it in the future too, I know it's pretty slow at the moment. But the ad money also works as a carrot for me; as motivation for continuing to work on the site. I'm not saying that it's a bother really but it does take up time to do stuff like checking reports, keeping the place legal, making sure everything is working like it should and even writing this text I suppose. When the server breaks down, as it has done several times in the past, I have to dedicate a day to get it back up again (finding out what went wrong, ordering spare parts, mounting them and so forth). Sure it doesn't take every hour of that day but enough to ruin any other schedule. My greatest motivational carrot is of course knowing that thousands of people use my site every day, warms my heart somehing you can't imagine. But I'm starting to grow old and with that I'm beginning to wonder if I should do something else with my free time, you know? People around me are getting married and having children and there I am, fixing the server while they are at the beach. ;) Time has greater value than money after all. Hehe, I of course blew things out of proportion now, but yeah, all these things are what the ad money goes toward. Plus the monthly expenses of course (small as they may be, then again the ad money isn't exactly much either).

By the way, after getting a pretty steady job, I've become more of a "moral" individual when it comes to compensating individuals for their services/products (I'm referring to pirating, mind you). Seeing that I use your site AT LEAST once a day, I'd be more than willing to donate a decent amount.
This isn't a false promise. Expect a donation from me the day you announce on the front page that you accept them.

Also, PLEASE, for the Internets sake, don't just drop swfchan when (or if) you decide to retire. Give someone out there the chance to pick up where you left off. This site means more to some people than you may imagine. :_)

That thing about using a fake name for PayPal, does it really work? After a while (don't remember if it was after a year or after a certain amount of money has touched the account) PayPal starts wanting hard proof of the account ownership (a photograph of ones valid photo-ID card/pass). To reduce online scams and such they claim.

>don't just drop swfchan when (or if) you decide to retire
I wouldn't do that, at the very least I would torrent all the flash files and the databases. Maybe I would make a handy little portable search application too for the database (but that's not a promise, hehe). If swfchan suddenly DOES go offline in the future without any word that would mean I have been hit by a car or something, rendering me unable to settle life's business.

https://www.projectwonderful.com/adsearch.php?sub mit=1&tags=adult

What a bunch of dickheads.

Just my 2 cents.

If someone knows where I can get similar "good ads" (instead of the usual "get a date" type of ads) I'd appreaciate it if you tip me about it.

>>1083
Thanks man. I dislike pop-unders too so I will be avoiding them. Actually I noticed that my current ad provider doesn't even supply popups after all, so I hope these commercial breaks are enough. =P

>>1088
Good point, I will be looking to see if I can make the ads text-only. I suspect most clicks the ad does get right now is by accident anyway. Kinda forget how frequent the penis ads are in the US, here in Sweden I mostly only ever get randomized text ads from the top ad so they aren't so bothersome. I won't be looking to change the top ad today though since it's Good Friday. Happy Easter everybody!

You know, the ones where you get treated to a 25 second tampon ad and you can't do anything until you watch it.

How about some Old Spice ads? Hehe.

One thing you might be able to do is a sort of "link bucks" style of advertisement prior to us actually viewing our flash.
I would probably stop using the site if there were a bunch of forced 30 second advertisements (like youtube) Unless i could stop them from showing up which most likely I would be able to.
But that defeats the purpose obviously.
As for pop ups I can pretty much Guarantee I'd block that as well,
Your best bet is to have an add show up Over the flashes that we can Exit out of if it is irrelevant to us similar to how youtube used to work.
and again you could always have it send us to a swfchan.advertisement#1 perhaps with a skip button up at the top kind of a link bucks style or how deviant art works aka at the top it says Continue to your site.
Your best bet would most likely be the way Deviantart works for it is not as annoying yet still gets the ads to us.
30 second forced videos and Pop ups are a definite No no to me and I will without a doubt find a way around them for they waste to much of my time and or are a hassle to close.
I especially do not want some Adult friend finder advertisement to be behind my browser when I close it.
Anyway that's my two cents.

>>1106
>>1155
This sounds like a big problem, I'm not experiencing this at all in any of my tests. Could you tell me more, like what browser you guys use and exactly what changes. Does anyone else have these problems?

>>1151
I hope they didn't close my account just because they noticed that the site had anything to do with 4chan... P.W. said to me that it was because I was breaking the no-porn rule of theirs and they just then noticed that swfchan in fact does host porn. After over two years. I get the feeling that they just have that rule for show and don't take action to enforce it unless someone with concern points it out to them.

>>1111
>>1154
I hate forced ads that block content for X seconds myself so I probably never will host those kinds. I say "probably" because I don't want anything I say now to bite back at me in the future if I ever am forced to have these kinds of ads. But trust me when I say I hate them. Whenever I get an ad on YouTube that I have to watch before the video I just close it and refuse to watch the ad. =P If I really have to watch the video I can always open it in another browser or just empty my cookies. ...But the ads that get me most annoyed are those often seen in flash games. You know those little animations that play while the game PRETENDS that it is loading? Often there's a little bar below with a padlock icon. I really loathe these personally. I'd take 10 popups over these kinds of ads any day of the week (but don't tell them I said that).

I did a little change in the amount of time the message described in >>1079 stays hidden after pressing the "hide" link. It now hides for 30 days instead of just 7 days. I think most people will clear their cookies manually before that timeout.

The commercial break (pop-over) is unfortunately necessary since without it there might as well be no ads at all on the site since the top ad brings in so little. At least the old one didn't bring in much, maybe the new text-only one will do better. Way too early to tell atm.

Usually I think commercial breaks are annoying myself as well but I actually find the LiveJasmin ads completely okay since you get to see a random video of some random girl doing something random. It only appears once a day for me, not on every page view. And it's mute, clean, plus has a clearly visible skip button that appears without too much delay. I've never seen two of the same videos either, and that together with that chat thing that appears upon mouse-hover (and the fact that the girl sometimes chat herself) makes me wonder if it might actually be a real streaming live video (of course it's still likely that it is not but I don't care enough to find out for sure).

I don't want people to feel cheated by the broadcast message at the top of the site that mentions the text-only ad, I'll interrupt it. And I will also do a edit to mention what kind of ads the site use in the message I wrote about in >>1079 so that people will know exactly what will appear if they decide to unblock.

"There are two ads on swfchan: A text-only ad that appears at the top of every page and a commercial break ad that appears only once per visit. The commercial break is a fullscreen overlay that can be skipped."

Perhaps you overlooked that row by mistake. I don't want people to turn off their adblocker just to go nope.jpg immediately after. It's important that people know that the fullscreen ad only appears once per day.

I'm not sure if adding another ad would give too much but I have been thinking about converting the top text ad back to a graphical ad like it was before. I didn't think there would be much difference but the text ad has actually received less clicks than the smaller graphical ad did before. But if you tell me more about your idea I'm happy to hear you out.

example.com

Is there a way that you could have a page absolutely riddled with ads that only members who really care about the site could do? As in, you have a separate page where plastered top to bottom are ads and a button which rotates the ads when a button is clicked? It would kind of be like a slideshow of meaningless spam that your most devoted users would click through for 10-15 minutes to help carry some of the brunt with their time and as long as you find a shit load of side banners and advertisements, you could kill two birds with one stone: have your site not look like a shitty spamasaurus as well as having a way to increase revenue? I'm talking out of my ass here and have no idea if that'll work, but if I understand it correctly, it should...

>>2498
Let me see if I get this right: You dislike popups but have no problem with still-image type of ads or fullscreen commercial breaks. Also you think animated ads are bad because they slow down loading each page. I'm not sure what you mean by "rotating ads", it can't mean "ads that changes to a new one from time to time" because of your last sentence.

As you may have noticed swfchan has gone a little over a week now without ads since the previous advertising service shut down all of a sudden (claiming that it wasn't profitable).

So the time has come to try and find a new decent advertising service. Anyone got any ideas or suggestions? I'd like them to accept paying through PayPal and I'd like them not to be overly strict with documentation.

I appreciate any replies this thread gets.

That captcha advertisement thing was not a bad idea. Solvemedia really thought of something smart there, although it doesn't necessarily generate more clicks it certainly makes the product/company get a lot more exposure since people will analyze the ads to find the captchas. Quite brilliant form of advertisement if you want to increase brand-awareness and have people remember who they are and what they offer.

In the end I don't think swfchan can use that way of advertisement however. Just a quick look around their site makes it obvious that they wouldn't want to associate with unclean sites such as this. My guess is that they only have big well-known clients that don't want to show up right before someone loads backwardsdeepthroat.swf... They don't even provide a FAQ with standard how-much and how-do information, they want direct face-to-face contact and discussion. A bit more professional than what I had in mind, I would rather be on a service where I can blend in and just be one among many without risking my privacy.

At the moment I have my eyes on adworldmedia.com which provides the same commercial break type of ad as the old service I was using. However I had to mail and ask if they provided payment through PayPal or not (it's a pain in the neck when they don't put that info in their FAQ). Other alternatives might be bidvertiser.com, exoclick.com, chitika.com and adengage.com. It remains to be seen how much personal info they want from me though, if it's too much I'll have to keep on looking.

If any of you guys browse any sites that are similar to swfchan and you notice that they have ads, please hover above the ad and check where it links. Then post the URL here, maybe swfchan can use that advertising service too?

On a more serious note, i can't find backwardsdeepthroat.swf.

Yeah backwardsdeepthroat.swf doesn't exist. Yet at least, someone should make it! Haha.

spam

Opinions? Feel free to share your comments here, I'm always happy to hear what you think. Big thanks as usual to those of you who decides not to block the ads on swfchan, it helps a lot and I appreciate it.

AdEngage was a waste of my time, along with tons of others (the entire Clicksor network). If you want to make dollars on CPM ads, hit up AdultAdWorld (so far the best since Etology went down). AdultAdWorld has given me the most money from popunders, which I hate that I had to use, but it was the best method. Every other site is using them now, anyway! Another great site for getting actual clicks on your ads: JuicyAds.

If ExoClick accepts your site, you can probably make a load of cash from them. Ero-Advertising is also fairly okay. I've only tried banners and interstitials from these sites.

Definitely don't waste time with AdBrite/BlackLabelAds or any Clicksor site.

You can view my unfortunate setups at lurkmore.com and chansluts.com, as quick examples. I believe you should make enough from just popunders, you don't need the interstitials. Adding a CPM banner or two would also be good.

I wish more for the simple but good advertising services, both Project Wonderful and Etology only wanted my PayPal address and that was it. Very simple and not too much info.

Etology was the guys I used right before they died, but it turns out they were bastards after all because they didn't pay me for the last two months I used them. First they just went out with "we are closing our books - don't worry" and then sent the occational update on the subject ("thanks for being patient"). Then one day, two or three weeks ago, they said they were finished. I didn't get anything and they are not responding to any contact attempts. Bastards. Another interesting thing is that etology.com gives the message "80 / 443" while www.etology.com gives a site with the original "Advertising 2.0" slogan used by the company (with grayed out signup/signin buttons). Didn't they shut down, or is that some sort of scam front? By any road if they are starting up again I wouldn't recommend them to anyone anymore. Too fishy.

I've put this advertising business out of my mind for the last month since I got Adengage running, but as you said it seems like it might have been a waste of time. That banner doesn't give much at all. Not that I've been payed yet mind you, I believe they hand out payments two months after the actual month when you earned the money.

So I'm looking into new advertising services again. Right now I have hopes on ero-advertising.com and exoclick.com. They don't want too much info from me and appear to have good interfaces. Waiting for them to approve my accounts now. Will probably still keep Adengage though, I somewhat like how the banner looks.

Thanks for the reply, very useful! If you hadn't wrote I might not have had the inspiration to put some effort into fixing the ads on the site for another month.

AdultAdWorld has a horrible interface and its main site is buggy and slow, but it pays out well and the ads themselves aren't slow at all (to load, that is). ExoClick was paying really well for just CPM banner ads but the douches denied every site of mine except my blog (penetrat.eu), so I dumped them. Ero-Advertising is okay, but you need traffic (I think you get enough to make some good money). I also like Ero-Advertising's interface better than anyone else's, except maybe JuicyAds'.

I got stung by Etology as well, and I've tried nearly every advertiser to replace them. I knew they were going to shut down months before it happened but didn't take action to replace my ads due to laziness.

RE: PayPal. Yes, all of the sites, other than AdultAdWorld, pay with PayPal. I actually find that to be a problem because I want a cheque! I don't feel safe having my money in a PayPal account! Regardless, you can put fake information in any of them. They don't verify it (just make it sound real, I guess) and it's only necessary in order for them to contact you or more specifically for them to send you cheques, which they don't! I guess for AdultAdWorld you'd need to use your real address and just change some letters in your name, so your bank will still accept the cheque. I don't use my real name with these sites, I change my last name a bit and add some extra letters to my first name.

Good luck with the two sites you're looking at right now. They do have nice ads, but they just don't pay out for me (or they won't let me use them!). I'll add that I have an interstitial ad with Ero-Advertising on one of my sites and it is a fairly okay payout - also, it pays out in Euros, so it's actually a bonus for me - on conversion.

Small edit: If not that many uniques, than definitely hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of page views a day.

On the brighter side I finally got word back from Etology, to my big surprise. They quoted an amount that they said were pending for my account. I haven't received anything yet but at least it appears like they might send it to me next week. I'll post a message here on whether they follow through or not.

All that's left now is to wait for ero-advertising.com to get back in touch, but they sure are taking their sweet time. Might be that I just will have to suck it and go with AdultAdWorld after all. It's that damn tax form they want me to send to the US that feels the most troubling. Guess I could try JuicyAds again, but they demanded phone verification.

I don't really feel safe having money on PayPal either, just like using it as a middle hand. I always withdraw everything from the account as soon as possible.

Did you sign up with ero-advertising already or are you waiting for your domain to get approved? I'm pretty sure you can make ads and put them on the site even before it gets approved.

Did ExoClick actually give you a reason for denying your site? I had to email them, got a retarded reply, and I had to email them again to ask for them to clarify their bullshit reply. They just sent the same bullshit reply just with a few extra words. They did pay well for the time that I had ads running, though! Not that I'll get any of it because it's too low for a payout :p

Etology also contacted me and quoted me way low of what they owe me. I sent an email back to correct them so I hope they pay everything out.

I was waiting for the domains to get approved on ero-advertising, but it got rejected. They gave no reason as to why (and still hasn't answered my mail) but it was probably the same as the one ExoClick gave, which was drawn lolicon material. I'll try asking them why but I'm not holding my breath.

Etology hasn't sent me anything yet. I think the amount they said to me was accurate however, too bad that they lied to you. But honestly I can't be 100% sure of what they said to me was true since I last logged into my account long before the day when they shut down. Might be that they owe me more in reality, there's no way I can make sure. But I'll settle with what they said in their last mail.

Running out of advertising options.

Got ero-advertising running, but it turned out to be a complete waste of time. Created a full-page ad with them. Expected it to give near of what I got from the full-page on Etology in the past, instead it is only shown around 400 times a day (instead of thousands, thanks to their brilliant system) and earns me a whopping chewing-gum per day. I guess I'll leave it on for a month or so but if it continues like this they're really a joke.

I am NOT supporting the site UNTIL you can fix these filthy ad's. my son almost saw one of these if i was not with him. you really should remove this crap

I've ditched ero-advertising (it took two months to get 13 USD with them, no joke) and got some brand new interstitial ads from AdultAdWorld that should appear on each domain once per every 24 hours. They could pay me using PayPal after all, you just can't give (or see) that info in your account but have to email it to them. At least they said it was fine, it remains to be seen if something happens in a month or two. Good, good. Perhaps now swfchan will get some money again! It's needed, probably have to upgrade the server hardware during 2012 since the current CPU has problems with at least one of its cores. And the main HDD has seen much better days.

I'm closing the case on Etology now, they have of course not sent me a single cent. And they cut off communications as well. Thieves. But let's forget that and focus on the new year that's coming up. :)

Merry Christmas everybody!

How about official sponsors? Like, a dildo manufacturer... or  those guys who make the Fleshlight? (They should change the images, tho, to a hot toon chick, for example. Images of the Fleshlight are gross, to a non-necrophiliac; looks like dead body parts...)

Every week a different sex toy would be presented, or something along those lines.

Anonymity could be given, if both sides agreed on eachothers practises and philosophies. 

Or... donations over a third party... user-contributed ads... donation-BBQ (you could put a paper bag over your head)... i dunno

Pro/VIP accounts should unlock more search options, download options, sorting, etc. 

Happy holidays!

Thanks for the tips but I'll stick with the ads for now. I think swfchan is too small for official sponsors, but donations might be possible if I get desperate. I'd like to avoid it though.

Hope Christmas was nice for everybody, it wasn't super for me since I have gotten a cold.

So I'll up the amount of ads on the site a bit. Starting by adding a little thumbnail ad from AdultAdWorld at the top next to the AdEngage ad, we'll see how that goes. Thinking about having only AdultAdWorld ads at the top and moving the AdEngage one to the bottom of the pages. Maybe even replace it completely with ads from AdultAdWorld depending on how well that little thumb I added today performs.

I'm also adding a huge ad at the bottom of the front page of swfchan.com, but it only shows up on that page so I hope it won't get in the way too much.

Honestly, you can put in as many ads as you want to. If it helps, do it. And is $100 an okay donation? Been thinkin about it... Anyways, keep up the awesome work.

could be a viable option....

In other news I've removed the last two ads that I added. They earned swfchan 0.1 USD on a good day, not worth having. Also I would like to tone down my earlier praise of the CloudFlare service since I have tried turning it off for most of swfchan's domains (all except the flash screenshots) and it actually works better now. No more "the site appears to be offline" messages when the site really isn't offline. Maybe they got too popular too fast for their own good and their hardware just can't keep up. On the other hand maybe CloudFlare would work great if swfchan's server worked great as well so I dunno.

I realize that almost everybody doesn't know what BitCoin is, so I'll type up a little explanation and instructions on the soon-to-be-added donation page. I'm currently testing the entire procedure (I'm pretending to make a donation to myself) to see exactly how everything works, hopefully everything will be done by the end of next week.

Really wished to avoid taking donations but I have to face reality; with the current ads it will be a long time before I have enough for a new server. And since the server's not working like it should I know that I'm losing visitors as well so getting a new server is to be considered urgent.

This whole donation business may be a long shot but as long as there's a chance that at least one person will make a respectable donation it would be foolish not to try. If nothing else it will at least help spread awareness of BitCoin, which is a good thing.

Since it has nothing to do with the site's advertisments, please discuss everything concerning donations in this separate thread: http://swfchan.org/959/

AdultAdWorld is the only thing that pays right now, for CPM (if you want some proper cash, pop-unders are where it's at).

JuicyAds is really good if people actually click on your ads. I get an average of $0.8/day and I get about 1/5 of the traffic you do.

Can you put up how to unblock IE 8? I will but don't know how.

Check your HOSTS file. If you don't know what it is, Google it.

Speaking of the devil, I have been talking a little with Project Wonderful about putting their ads in The Mix here on swfchan. Since there isn't any porn there it should be fine. Or so I thought, they don't like sites that are just collections of other people's work.

BUT I asked if it would be fine to use their ads if I ONLY used them on pages in The Mix that has my own content on them. Just got a reply saying that it would be acceptable! So looks like I'll get to use PW again. The ads won't see near the same traffic as they would if I could have used them on the entire site but it's better than nothing. Now I just have to start putting my own stuff in there.

its so cool

Also now serving Project Wonderful ads in the brand-new My Stuff subsection of The Mix:
http://mix.swfchan.org/mystuff/

To be honest I don't expect the PW ads to be of much use since they are page view based and only appear on a few pages that probably won't get many visitors, but it's worth a go.

The banner ads are fine, but I refuse to deal with those.

The redirect hijack you speak of sounds much worse however, are you sure it wasn't just the page inside the "Click here to continue..." ad that you saw? I know that sometimes it displays a whole site inside the iframe there. Are anybody else getting any redirects? Anyone?

I got a couple redirects myself before but that was from the AdEngage adprovider (at least I think so). I removed them for the time being and replaced the top ad with another one from AdultAdWorld. Would suck to find out that they also have redirections.

As always I'm in the market for new advertising opportunities, if anyone has a tip I'd be glad to hear it!

Thinking about if I should fall into the dark side of ads (popups). No hear me out; if popups really earn as much as people claim they might be able to make it possible to remove the top/bottom banner ads completely. Also, I have to run some numbers on this before I know for sure BUT I have a suspicion that a lot of the site's traffic comes from the porn category listing. If like 80% or something of the site's traffic comes from there (not that I think that the number is that big but I don't know) it might be possible to only have popups on the porn category and no popups or banners on the rest of the site (probably still have to keep the commercial break though). If the popups are just once per day, would they really be that bothersom? I think that most browsers block popups by default, without even using an ad blocker. Makes me wonder if popups really are as profitable as they are fabled to be.

Well, these are just thoughts. Maybe, maybe not. I have to think more on this.

The ones that pop up and shift to the right, hiding their X button... ugh.

After much consideration I've decided to finally attempt to maximize the amount of cash that is generated for swfchan. I get the feeling that the site could be more than it is today, but its low budget is keeping it down. You've probably noticed that despite several optimisations the server still becomes unresponsive sometimes? First of all I want to buy new hard disks and then I'd like to provide more available bandwidth.

For six months I've tried to accept donations, nobody has been willing to chip in. Sure I only tried to accept donations through Bitcoins but as I wrote on the donation page had anyone actually said they were interested in helping out I would have tried my best to provide other donation methods.

For three months I've tried the mirror project, although some nice fellas came and went nobody was willing to put up a permanent mirror. It was after all a fun experiment, didn't really put all my hope into it.

I understand. But this means only one option remains: more annoying ads. We're talking possible audio shit, redirection shit and popup shit. I may even have to go ahead and block adblockers, to the best of my ability (though I'd probably make some sort of cookie-based ad-setting in that case). It sucks but what am I to do? The money is needed.

Right now I am running two ads on swfchan. One interstitial (full screen) ad from Adult AdWorld that show up once per visitor per 24 hours. It pays per unique view. The other ad is from AdEngage - a top banner showing small thumbnails and links. It pays per unique click. (There's also a SFW section of The Mix that are "running" (meaning not showing anything at all most of the time) ads from Project Wonderful, but those don't get any hits.)

These ads together generate around (drum roll) 5 USD per day. That's right; each month about 150 USD of cash is generated for swfchan. That's supposed to cover bandwidth, server repair/upgrades, misc (such as domian names) and yes indeed a little something for my time (maintaining everything and developing new features). I obviously do it just for fun right now but to be frank it's getting tiring sometimes. A carrot would be nice.

swfchan is far from being all about porn. But it has porn. Lots of it, all mixed in there with the stuff that isn't porn. So the site is classed as being a porn site. This cuts off all of the good ad-providers. What remains are those that pay really lousy, those that run ads that are extremely annoying/possibly unsafe and those that shave off earnings (most adult ad-providers report less clicks and page views than are actually happening, meaning they run off with a big chunk of the profits themselves. Of course the guy that actually runs the ads on his site can't prove anything). I'm suspecting one of the ad-providers I'm using right now (AAW) are shaving, but it might as well be both.

Some of these adult ad-providers lets you run good for a few months and then all of a sudden they close your account and take all of the earnings (usually two months worth since many pay 30 days after the actual month has ended). I hate to do it but I have to dive into this advertising swamp soon. It's the uncertainty that really gets to me; just because the ads look decent on my computer doesn't mean that much worse ads are not served to other people on the other side of the world.

A lot of providers try their best to keep the advertiser in the dark so I have to use proxies to try and look at the ads. But that doesn't prevent one in a thousand people from getting a virus-infected ad. And if you mail them about it they pretend not to understand how it could have happened and promises to fix it, but often nothing happens. I've asked AdEngage many times to remove gay ads from the top banner (I marked in their system not to show that stuff), and even though they have "fixed it" several times I still see a "free XXX gay cam" ad up there right now.

So yeah... this is a heads up to you guys that I will be trying new ad stuff on the site. And not the old, "I changed from provider X to provider Y" where the banner are the same. We will be crossing into popup territory here in order to actually make some cash for the site. Because it's needed and it's the only way. I don't know exactly when I will start this expedition since I don't wan't to, but it'll happen. My goal is to have found a decent way of getting money by the end of August.

I sincerely wish you luck with finding out your financial problem, because I would hate to see this site go down.

>deny access to people using ad-block
Sounds worse than it will be, here's how this will work if I implement it: Instead of the usual "get file"-button people with adblock will get a message explaining that they must disable adblocking on swfchan to get the flash. To prevent too much rage the text will also explain that there's a built-in "adblocking" system on the site (not yet implemented), which means some kind of cookie-based setting that will control how often the ads on swfchan are displayed. It will be changeable by visitors to a reasonable minimum ad-views per visit, say maybe once or twice. This way the ads will get hit by each IP at least once, giving the ad stats a needed boost (even if they don't click the ads it will make the ad slots look better and may attract better advertisers that way). People that use swfchan frequently but hate ads must only view the ads on one or two pages, then the ads will be gone like if they were using an adblocker.

>bitcoins thing didn't work out because people are just not comfortable with such a sketchy method of donating
Yeah I know, it was doomed since the beginning. I saw it working really well on 420chan so I thought I'd give it a try too. Guess their users are a lot more used to using Bitcoins.

Actually, come to think of it... there is one kind of easy way to "donate" money to swfchan...

As I mentioned a SFW section of The Mix are serving ads from Project Wonderful. There is nothing stopping anyone from just buying one of the available ad-slots for a day. Just leave a bid of whatever much you'd like to donate and change your bidding strategy to be aggressive so that you bid your roof sum at once.

For example, the top left ad-slot is this banner here:
Link removed, please only use the link in >>3965

If someone wanted to donate 10 USD to swfchan he could just go to that link and...
+ Create an account (follow the link above and see below the "Place your bid" header)
+ Create a new ad (the dummy ad that will be displayed on the page, you can promote your website or google.com or whatever)
+ Actually place the bid (using PayPal to load your PW account with money)

After 24 hours I'll have your "donation". Project Wonderful takes 25% of it but the rest goes to swfchan (if you bid 10 USD I would get 7.5 USD).

Not the best way of donating perhaps but it works. And it works right now, this second. So if anyone out there is actually genuinely interesting in donating money to swfchan here's your chance. Using standard methods; no weird Bitcoins or gold nuggets or what have you. Just throwing it out there, of course I'll not start holding my breath now after a half year of no interest at all in donating. But it would be a pleasant surprise.

Another issue with SWFchan (to ad providers) is the issue that it hosts many copyrighted flashes that had to be payed for sometime. (Just in particular: ZONE, but besides that, I actually couldn't tell you. Paid sfw flash seems like a near nonexistent thing) But you do say you will take down someones flash, so I'm not sure if that's such a big issue.

Honestly what you need is CLEAR CUT SFW and NSFW sections, and I think you could then have a NSFW+SFW section as well (same rules apply as would the NSFW page, legal age blah blah blah)

Almost kinda like what happened with encyclopediadramatica, with that whatport80 sister site they set up to be SFW.

SWFchan is in all, a mirror, that's it. So I know these suggestions may not fly:

Voting.

Perhaps, ugh, facebook likes for the SFW pages. (or G+)

Better defined categorizing could help, but that would obviously rely upon the community to tell, and some trusted mods, or whatever to give the okay.
In the same vein as better categories, a tagging system. rather the ability to modify tags/give a flash some meaningful tags, then make so page where a user clicks the tag they want and they get the list (ala paheal) or you implement it in search (ala booru sites)

I hate for sites with such massive amounts of info to go down, and I feel for you, one against the world (literally)

One other issue >>
I like the ad idea, however people are lazy, and making an account is something most would dislike doing. so perhaps the suggestion I will be making below this could come of use.

if you're looking for more ways to get payments, I've seen some sites, such as fansubbers, use workarounds. If I recall, one site literally set it up so you paid for a drawing of a cookie that they'd send to you via email, (it may have been an actual cookie through the mail, beats the hell outta me) they just had you do it from a separate website, with a different URL.

Good luck to you sir.

>Voting / Facebook
I'm doing my best to keep that stuff out of here, especially Facebook. I know it's the primary portal for traffic these days, but I have my principals.

>Better defined categorizing / rely upon the community
The categorizing doesn't work too well right now, most people just don't bother with it. Even new flashes that are viewed by hundreds of people in a day don't get categorized many times. There's also a good deal of incorrect categorizing, which many people apparently find hilarious. I thought about making it so that you need an account to categorize, but I like to keep stuff open. Hate sites that requires accounts of any kind. I also think that would greatly reduce the number of categorizations each day.

One future plan I have is to bring the categories outside the categories section, making them show up in all the normal listings. That would help to bring some attention to categorizing again, plus people will be able to tell which flash hasn't been categorized yet and may then be more prone to do so. I should have done it a long time ago but it takes time to rewrite the system for it and it's a little boring to do. That's where that carrot I mentioned earlier would be nice to have.

>a tagging system
I don't usually talk this much about my plans for the site but yeah, tags are one of them. Someday I will implement a collection system that allow users to put flashes into their own group of flashes (other visitors will be able to view the collections). It might spawn for example a "best flash games" collection or a "must see animations" collection.

When a flash is collected it can be tagged with keywords, these keywords will then become searchable on the .com search engine and show up below the normal results. It's meant to be most useful for people that don't remember the file name but do remember there being a ghost in the flash, then they can find the flash if it has been tagged as such.

At the same time as collecting a flash people will be able to quickly mark it as porn or non-porn and game or non-game. That might greatly help out with categorization and could pave the way for another plan I have. I haven't worked everything out yet, how it's going to work etc, just an idea in my head that I hope I'll start implementing sometime.

>paid for a drawing of a cookie
Haha, brilliant! I'll keep the idea in mind.

>BIGGER SO PEOPLE WILL NOTICE, and maybe in red
I made it small so it won't be annoying for those that has already read it, but I see your point. I'll make it a little bit more noticable.

I don't expect you as one man to do this of course, you'd need extra help. And the money situation is the bigger one at the moment. You're on the top of my list to donate to (yes, there is a list) when I get a job again, but right now moolah is out. College kinda sucks that way (although during college is the only time I can find a job.)

Once again, good luck. I'll be following all of this with hope things turn out okay.

About your idea to have the gay ads show on the gay category, it sounds good but it wouldn't work since their system seems to be broken. When you make an ad-slot on their site you can specify which kind of add you want. I've chosen to show every kind except gay and I think one more that I can't remember but it still shows gay ads, so I'll just assume that it'd be just as broken if I choose only to show gay ads. I might try later but I wonder if the gay category sees enough traffic to be worth the trouble. Still, no question that directed ads are better than random ads.

Btw, I will be away from computers this weekend so I might not be able to notice your donation immediately if you make one on Friday.

Somebody have already donated! And it's a 30 day long campaign even. Wow, that made my day. Thank you very much, whoever you are! Now my ads are earning a total of 6 USD per day - even if it's just an extra buck it makes me feel appreciated. To think that the site is good enough for somebody to actually put some of his hard-earned money on it.

Now that somebody has actually put an active campaign on that ad that I linked to I will link to the other PW ad-slots, just in case somebody else wants to donate (for example Mr >>3952 and Mr >>3957).

Here are all of the PW ad-slots:
Links removed, please only use the link in >>3965

PW works on a bidding system, that is you specify of much you want to bid on an ad-slot and if you are the highest bidder you will win and show your ad. The reason why I'm posting all of the ad-slots is because if two of you bid on the same ad you will compete for that slot and thus cancel one of your bids out completely (meaning that the money will not reach me). So if you have an intention of donating by advertising, please do it on an ad-slot that is empty. Note that each ad-slot has four different location slots (and the last button-type has several sub-slots). If you put your bid on American traffic and another donor put his on Canadian traffic your bids will not compete with each other.

Also, I something that can be quite important: It is better to make your campaign as short as possible.

For example, say that you want to donate 5 USD (meaning 5*0.75=3.75 USD would reach me). If you set your bidding strategy to be aggressive their system will begin with you bidding $5 per day on the ad. However their system works in small time units, $5 is not drained immediately. Instead you pay a small slice of it and then in a few minutes their system lowers your daily bid to $4.9. If you are still the high bidder (which you will be unless someone else is bidding on the same ad-slot) your bid sticks with $4.9, thus lowering the slice that reach my account in the next minutes. Then it will keep lowering the bid until my minimum set bid for the ad-slot is hit (0.1 USD). This means that if you spread your 5 bucks donation over 10 days (by making a 10 day long campaign with a 0.5 USD daily bid roof) their system would have time to quickly lower your daily bid to 0.1 USD, meaning that after 10 days when the campaign ends you would only have donated $1 instead of $5. That's why it's better to make a 1 day long daily campaign with a 5 USD daily roof. Actually that will probably still give their system some time to lower the bid so that not the full amount is donated...

The absolute best would be:
+ Make the campaign never-ending.
+ Allow it as high daily spending limit as possible.
+ Set the bidding strategy to aggressive.
+ Let it run until the money loaded into the PW account is drained and the campaign is automatically put on hold until more funds is added.

Also remember:
+ Put your donation in an empty ad-slot (or empty country-slot). Else you will cancel another donors bid.

I should have said this earlier when I first mentioned that donation through PW could be possible but I didn't really think anyone would do it. I'm glad I was wrong!

I don't know how much you intended to donate but at the moment you are donating a total 0.2*7 = 1.4*0.75 = 1.05 USD after your seven day campaign is over. The fault is the low minimum bid of my ads (0.1 USD).

I've corrected this by changing the old bottom ad-slot with all the buttons to this:

https://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.ph p?id=63728&tag=8102&type=1

Notice how it has a minimum bid of 5 USD per day, a more realistic minimum for these donation ads. So if you intend to donate 5 bucks, let it run for a day. 6-10 bucks, let it run for two days. 11-15 bucks, make a three day campaign and so on.

I also put "tag=8102" in that URL, which is a referral ID. If you sign up from that URL my account will get 3% of the money you spend. The 3%-money gained by referral can't be taken out of the account by me, but I can use it to advertise swfchan on PW, which can bring new visitors and more ad-revenue. I must say 3% is pretty crappy since the money can't be taken out, but it's a little bonus at least.

So, to summarize:
+ To donate, place an ad on the ad-slot linked to in this post.
+ Select a position that is empty. Otherwise you will cancel out another donation.
+ Let the ad run for the appropriate number of days, each day you will donate 5 USD.

If you could I would appreciate it if the two of you that are currently advertising moved your donation-ad to this new ad-slot. Just cancel your old campaign and start a new one. I'll edit my previous posts so that I don't link to any other ad-slot than the one linked to in this post.

Im going to say it as I feel it, I can unblock the ads on this site if you DO NOT put up screen cover ads like most sites do or window blockers that make me complete surveys :P. Thats the true reason why I installed ad-blocker in the first place, that and because youtube started putting more then 3 ads a video on some videos and started playing ads in the midle of my videos like actual tv. But no i can make an exeption for your site if you are not a dick like youtube or other people with ads on the internet :3

>>4015
A mirror would be nice, I'd appreciate it. You're right that a mirror with less than 100 KiB/s bandwidth isn't of much use, since many connections will be sharing that it could mean painful 10 KiB/s downloads.

>>4020
And thank you for bringing new flash files to the site! It's what swfchan is all about, without content this place would be a desert. Thanks for the donation too; at writing moment, in total from everybody, swfchan has received 47 USD in donations (that is after PW has taken their share for showing the ads). It's not much really, but it will help a little bit in buying new hard disks for the server in the near future.

As I wrote in >>3936 one way of increasing ad revenue for the site is blocking ad-blockers. That is what has been done; in order to get a flash file on swfchan.com now the ads must be loaded. I figure this will increase the ad income by at least a couple of percent, if it somehow doesn't I will return things to how it worked before.

To reduce the possible rage that this could bring I've made a built-in cookie-based blocking system that you can use to limit how many times per visit the ads should be displayed. These settings can be accessed by clicking the small cogwheel icon at the bottom of each page that has the get file button.

It took me far too long to implement this (because it's summer and I simply didn't want to), but now it is done. Measure two involves getting ads that actually pay decent money to be displayed, the current ones are rather weak in that area. Knowing me it will take a while before I get around to actually look for other advertisers, but it'll happen. Some cloudy day.

Of course the ads are obnoxious, I can't use good ad services since the site is classified as pornographic. They have to be obnoxious in order to pay out. However these barely pay anything ay all. If you think these ads are annoying you just wait until I find some that actually pays somewhat decent, sadly I imagine they will be beyond annoying. That covering-the-entire-page ad that most people has a problem with at the moment actually only appears once per day per subdomain.

Remember to give the ad settings a try by clicking the cogwheel. I put that there to try and make the ads less annoying to people that normally block all ads.

You faggots should have donated, then. Jesus Christ.

[...] No matter how anyone tries the defender (veiwers) will always have the upper hand in blocking ads. I wouldn't have minded the ads so much if it didn't involve full screen trash.

Perhaps you should sign up a a referrer in these sites you are crawling. You'd make far more money and invoke less ire from everyone if you encouraged us to join porn sites than letting someone pay someone else to pay you to encourage us to join porn sites. (Lot of money lost on the middle man)

Good luck and I love the site. I do hope your new method helps as not everyone will figure out how to get around your script.

btw I know it's been discussed but I wouldn't mind paying for a premium service to disable ads as long as it's cheap maybe like 1$ at the most, you could even have a "pay-what-you-want" system and I would go for that.

Meanwhile please try the cogwheel, set the "should show"-fields to 2 and the "page view"-fields to 5. You'll only see ads on one single page per visit, unless you view five pages in which case you'll see ads on two pages. By doing this you will help swfchan become better, is it really that bad?

>>4054
Thanks that means a lot, and I know the full screen ads are annoying. But even though it shows just once per day per subdomain the fullscreen ad brings in 65% of the current ad revenue. I tried to make the fullscreen ad controllable but it gave some scripting errors due to how they had written their JavaScript (it caused the close button not to work). Bothersome but it felt like it shouldn't matter much since it basically only appears at minimum frequency anyway.

Is the fullscreen really the ad you find worst? Because later when I will start searching for ads that actually pay well I will try out popups, popunders and those messager-sliding-type of ads...

>premium service
First there must be users that actually view the ads. Then they must be bothered so much by them that they are willing to purchase premium (and from then on bother to log in to the site). Finally when they buy the service it must be enough to cover what they would have brought in via ads to the site if they had viewed them instead of getting premium. One USD wouldn't get very far; those that get premium are probably regulars that visit the site a lot and after a year when that USD that they once paid for premium is long gone they could have given much more just by viewing the ads over that year. Thinking about that, plus considering all the work that will go into making a premium payment/login system, plus imagining all the possible complaints I might receive (since people would be activly paying for a service they will get the right to complain when something isn't working, for example if the server goes down a few hours), I just don't think a premium service is feasible. Not to mention that it goes against my believes that Internet should be an Anonymous, open place with as little login fields as possible.

And before when it did work for you, did the top and bottom ads actually appear?

>>4060
I never considered browsers where you can't whitelist certain sites to disable ad-blocking on them. Thanks for reminding me, I'll try to fix it at once.

Good point, sorry.

shut up you fucking jews. I'm keeping adbock on and still viewing the flashes

your ads system sucks so much, i'm sorry, but this website sucks !!

why you don't put simple ad on side ? like this :
http://www.jamesspann.com/wordpress/wp-content/up loads/2010/11/Site-Ad-Placement-crop1.jpg

If you were complaining about the once-per-day fullscreen overlay ad (you probably were) I just have to fall back on the same old excuse that they simply pay better than regular banner ads.

It's a sliding message type of ad that appears in the bottom right corner of the browser. Right now it only appears on the .com top domain, not sure if I will ever put it on the other domains. By default it will show up three times per visit, on every fourth page view. Now we'll just wait and see how this one performs...

By the way, the requirement of having to disable adblocking to watch flashes on .com showed a little increase in ad revenue during the test period (as expected) so it will stay. I know it's a pain but it helps the site too much not to have.

I'm asking a bunch of questions because I had to make a bunch of my own scripts to make the sliding ad only appear sometimes (otherwise it would appear on every single page view) and for it to look right in most browsers (including old IE8). Have to know if it's my script lagging up the page or if it's the actual ad script that I didn't write that lags it up. Or if it's just an issue of a very old computer having trouble to render.

>>4126
>could be improved but better that you don't
My thoughts exactly. Also even if I made it my outmost priority to force these ads it would still be a waste of time because it's impossible to completely block adblockers from all angles, there's always some way around.

I have been noticing double posts popping up now and then here on swfchan.org such as these, where you probably didn't think the first message got posted and then when you posted the second one both got posted. Seems to be issues in posting here on the board that I must look into... I've got a good idea of how to maybe fix the problem though. It is probably script related. But it might as well also be server-hardware related (server stress), can't be sure.

For now:

+ If anyone wants to post here on swfchan.org but can't for some reason please try posting with JavaScript turned off. (If you had to do this, please mention that you did in fact turn off JS in your post so I know.)

I've tweaked the sliding-ad script a little so that hopefully there won't be more people like >>4124 having big issues with firefox going to shit. Now there will be a small bounce in the sliding animation instead, but it's better than things going to shit. Please let me know if things are still bad, >>4124 (and in exactly what way they are bad).

http://www.bitcoinplus.com/miner/embeddable
Still into bitcoins?
Why not have everyone that is on the site help you mine for them?
Go to this site and follow the directions.

I've looked into the embeddable Bitcoin miner before, it's not really worth it. It will just slow down the site for people and not earn much money, if any at all since it's all about chance and sites far bigger than mine are using that miner so my chances would be pretty slim. And if swfchan would be placed on Google's black list because of it I'd be pretty pissed.

>>4142
The sliding ad can be closed by clicking the top right [X] link, when it appears. It's pretty sneaky done by the advertiser that clicking the X inside the actual ad is a trap. I could make it so that the ad don't appear on pages with the flash file but doesn't 99% of people tend to close the slider anyway? It would be an eyesore otherwise while watching the flash. Plus most people's browser dimensions are wide enough so that the ad won't go over most flashes.

>>4147
You're saying you don't have any ad-blocking plugins installed and Opera does it automatically? Sounds serious, I'll get the latest Opera client and look into it.

>>4148
I'm sorry. These changes has been planned and open for discussion ever since >>3936 was posted a little over a month ago. I was always open for good ideas but in the end I had no choice. All I can hope for now is tolerance for two page views with bad ads per visit.

I've added instructions on how to unblock Opera to the message you get if ads are blocked. What you need to do is right-click on the webpage and go to the content tab inside site preferences and disable content blocking.

The top ad is on a pay-per-click plan (unique IP clicks I reckon) and the bottom one a combination of both pay-per-thousand-views and pay-per-click. However the bottom one is performing extremely bad, it makes about 0.1 USD per day so I should replace it.

It is of course against both ad provider's policy for me to encourage anyone to click them so even though you want to help I'll ask you not to click them unless you find them genuinely interesting. They will probably think it's suspicious if the same IP keeps hitting the ads, and in the long run it could lead to account suspension if they think I'm cheating.

Alright, so I use a HOST file to block ads on this site. Blocking Ads through the host file is an efficient means of doing so - it makes loading faster, uses no additional memory or CPU, and works with any browser / application. HOWEVER: There is no "allow from url" option with this method.

How so I use swfchan if I use a host file to block ads from other sites?
NOTE: it blocks ad sites, not ads from a site

A hidden third option is of course to change to using an adblocking plugin, it doesn't take up that much CPU and RAM plus do you really need many ads blocked in more than your browser?

Ahh! it's HIDEOUS... but it worked!

I use a host file so I have thr freedom of using any browser I want without the hassle of worrying about ads, as well as other applications (such as ooVoo and some versions of MSN)

Thanks :P

Ahh! it's HIDEOUS... but it worked!

I use a host file so I have the freedom of using any browser I want without the hassle of worrying about ads, as well as other applications (such as ooVoo and some versions of MSN)

Thanks :P

Nice. Now you're going to drive away SFW and general visitors along with uploaders, getting even less users, all that plus an additional layer of hideous porn and malware ads all over your website. Maybe if you added something more humane and innovative that convinced people to willingly help you maintain the website when they were doing something like retrieving files you would have avoided this, but you chose to stick with an obscure thread where you basically handled the entire fate of the site.

I hope you're happy with your fuckin' 5 dollars a day or something. I'd take 10 minutes off my day to bypass your anti-adblocker but I'd rather just find some other website dump rather than /f/ with a competent administration crew and a functional community to spend my time on.

Could you find a flash where you get 404.swf and post the flash ID here please? Also have a look if you are getting the file from files1.swfchan.com, files2.swfchan.com or files3.swfchan.com and post the info along with the flash ID. To find out where you get the file from, right-click on the web page and select "view source" (brings up text), then press CTRL+F and search for "files" and see if it says 1, 2 or 3 after. Thanks!

Tell me if you are still having problems, but then please post in this dusty thread instead: http://swfchan.org/17/

Two popunders (one from each of the sites I mentioned) should be more than enough income with the uniques that you get. Forget about adblocking people, the popunders will pay just fine from the people who don't block ads. Both popunders will load on the first visit and the viewers will not see them for another 24hours (if they have cookies).

Ad blocking people have pretty much made the simplest banners worthless, and now interstitials are worthless to. Popunders are the only things that still pay a bit.

adf.ly isn't usable with nsfw material. Read their ToS. Linkbucks is okay, but still pays pretty shit ($1/500 usually).

All other advertisers are shit. JuicyAds probably pays the best right now.

I'm the guy who was talking to you about advertisers a while ago in this thread - around the time when Etology scammed everyone. I've gone through everything already, so this is the absolute last word on what you can do here to make your costs while being the least annoying to your visitors.

One last thing: you emailed me earlier (1ch.us), so if you want to send me another email about your server stats and your general httpd configuration, I might be able to give you suggestions and recommendations on those issues.

i seem to be unable to access the swfs anyway even though i dont have adblockers :c been about 2/3 weeks since i was last on ~unfortunately i cant access any at all cause of the ads thing... :x any help with solving the issue?

Then open up notepad. Drag the downloaded file ("interstitial.js") into notepad. It will show the content of the file. Select all and copy, paste it here and post it in the thread. Don't mind if it's a spammy big chunk of text, I'll edit the post later and remove the text so it doesn't fill up the board.

>>4304
I'm using AdultAdWorld, just not their popunders. Have the slider message ad from them and they say on their front page that that's the ad that pay the most. Figured that popunders will just be blocked by most browsers today even without an adblocker.

I might be able to try a popunder later, but the next ad I will try is probably going to be a overlay (similar to the fullscreen ad). However I feel the need to improve the site before I add more ads, to "earn my salt" so to speak and to reduce rage a little of these forced ads. Right now I'm working on improving the eye domain, since lately there's been a bunch of problems with watching flashes (guessing it's hard disk related so I'll try to reduce the read/write operations).

I'd love to try JuicyAds but they require cellphone verification and I don't want to give out my cellphone number. If you have any idea of how I can bypass this please let me know.

Thanks a lot for adding swfchan to 1ch! I can't remember emailing you though, was it a long time ago? Unless the mail was from over a year ago it must have been sent by a good-hearted user.

I don't have a httpd configuration and view stats are publicly available on http://swfchan.net/popular.shtml. If you have any suggestions or recommendations please post 'em here, I'm all ears.

Whatever AdultAdWorld is saying about what pays the most, it's all bullshit. The popunders are the only things that pay because they are the only things that you don't have to wait for clicks on, or waiting for thousands of views that pay almost nothing. They are also the least annoying because your visitors will get two popunders on one page, close them, and not have to see any ads at all for the rest of the day. I'm telling you to switch to popunders because I am comparing the traffic that our respective sites get vs the amount of money that each of us gets from ads. I dropped all of my banners and whatever other annoying shit and only have 2 popunders (one from each company). Since I did that, traffic is actually going up. Like I said in the last post, the popunders pay money because they won't blocked by most of your viewers.

If you really have a problem giving JA your mobile number, just get a throwaway phone with some minutes. It'll cost you $40 or $80 or whatever but you'll get double that money back in the first month. Also, I'm highly suggesting you get on JuicyAds because they pay 2-3x compared to AdultAdWorld. JuicyAds is getting really big right now in adult advertising, whereas AdultAdWorld has a couple of big customers and that's it (I know this for a fact, I saved their accounting database when they were having issues one day).

One last thing, I'm wondering how many unique viewers you get each day. I have a feeling you get at least double what I get on my sites, which means you could be making at least double what you are making right now from just two simple popunders and no tricks to get people to turn adblocking off.

It may have been someone else who emailed me about adding the site to http://1ch.us, though I thought the emailer's name was familiar (I exchanged email with you half a year ago, or so).

>>4366
That was my fault, it was the same for everybody. I screwed up and hurriedly made a small change right before I went to bed which broke the site for like six hours until I noticed it the next day. Sorry about that.

>>4314
Don't want to discuss the server too much, but it is pretty close to where I live and I have physical access to it if I need to do something (like force a manual reboot). It's fine the way things are set up at the moment, all I need is more bandwidth (the main server only got 10 Mbps up/down, same with the mirror server) and a new HDD. Maybe some more RAM would be nice, I've noticed that the page file can get big sometimes. Ever since I corrected the bug in >>4276 the site is maxing it's bandwidth much more often, sometimes several hours at a time without any calm period.

Okay I will try popunders next, it sounds too good but I'll give em a go. That JuicyAds pays 2.5 times more than AdultAdWorld sounds magical, if this is the case I should really try to get in there.

How long have you had JuicyAds? You've had that phone call right? What do they say exactly? Do they ever call or SMS you again? Do you need to confirm anything ever again with JuicyAds before you can get your first payment? Some places are really insane with the confirmation thing, like wanting photos of your passport etc. Anything like that on JuicyAds? I'd hate to bypass their phone thing just to find out I can't get paid for the first month due to them wanting more info out of me.

Haven't checked the site's traditional stats in quite a while: swfchan currently has around 26k unique visitors and over 250k page views each day on all domains according to Google Analytics. 85% or so of the hits are on the .com domain.

>though I thought the emailer's name was familiar
The only e-mail I have is the "mzoorcontact" one but I haven't checked it in... a year? I'm not a big e-mail user.

I can't even remember if their phone confirmation robot called me. It probably did. Consider making an account at dellvoice.ca (voip thing). I think that might solve all of your problems. I've never given any advertiser any information more than my name and address, though depending on where you live, that might not be the same for you. I've never had to confirm anything. They send me cheques every month (well, JA does when I request a payout) and I deposit them.

I believe that with just one JuicyAds popunder on each domain, you will get $700 a month with that many uniques every day. I've looked up the stats and noticed that you've hit 60000 uniques in the past. Set up the AdultAdWorld popunder right now. Get rid of all the other ads and just use that one. It should pay at least $15 per day, but I wouldn't be surprised if it hits $20-25.

RE: the server - how much bandwidth do you actually use in a month? It sounds like it's multi-terabyte. You probably need to set up your hard drives in a RAID configuration, to solve some of your problems.

But I must know, can you get paid via PayPal? I can't accept cheques. 700 bucks a month would be neato, I will try popunders later (not today since I had already prepared a system for the overlays).

No idea how much bandwidth the site is consuming, a lot. And yes, the next time I get new disks I will get minimum two corporation disks and raid them. The update I did today will reduce the stress on the disks a lot though so it's not as urgent as the bandwidth problem, it has been maxed out the whole day now and downloads are getting really slow. If this keeps up it will get REALLY slow in about five hours when the site usually starts to see the most traffic in a day.

Since the site urgently needs more bandwidth I've added a new type of ad: Overlay. It doesn't appear that often. As always this new ad is experimental, if it doesn't give much income for the site it is gone.

Heads up: I will test popunders later and I will change the bottom banner since it barely pays anything.

I still dislike popunders as any man but I have to think about how much good that money could do. If the popunders are worth as much as advertised I could also cut back on how often the other adverts are shown.

They also offer a high paying mobile redirect system. This redirects any mobile phone visitors to some porn site or dating/sex grow your penis site or something like that. I don't use it personally, but I can imagine not a lot of mobile users have use for a site full of flash games and animations, so you might find that's a much better option then pop unders.

Also, take a look around at server hosting companies. If you can't make enough money, find other ways to cut costs. A lot of people pay way too much for their dedicated servers and collocations.

I've managed to break even with my dedicated server by getting a good deal and managing my ads properly. Only one per page, no pop unders, overs, or ups, and no redirects. I'm sure you can find a way to manage without intrusive advertising, yet I sympathize with how you feel about it. Always sucks to have to be the bad guy, eh? Good luck.

Thanks for the advices and the good word!

In other news I've made the adblocking-blocker on eye.swfchan.com less strict. Hopefully this will prevent those few people that still get the "please unblock"-message from keep getting the message even after they've actually disabled their adblocker.

I'd greatly prefer to see the sliding ads in particular removed, regardless of what happens; interstitials and overlays are perfectly fine, but those are just irritating because you're not allowed to close them until they're done scrolling. Of course, if you need the money it's something I can live with.

Apologies if I could have fixed the issue for myself without raising a complaint; I looked around for that settings menu you mentioned a little while back but never found it.

I think that I would also prefer the popunders to the sliding ad for exactly the same reasons that you write. The problem is that the sliding ad is paying well, the popunder(s) will have to do pretty good to be able to make the slider redundant.

The ad settings menu appears when you click the tiny, gray cogwheel icon at the very bottom of the flash.asp page. It should be located to the left of the page URL that begins with "http://eye.swfchan.com" and above the "Created:" text (final row of the web page). It is placed through JavaScript after the page has loaded, if it really isn't there it could be a bug. Please let me know if you still can't see it (mention what browser you're using).

Later this week I will be trying popunders and adult thumbnail banners for the bottom banner. Maybe just one popunder, maybe several. Probably one to begin with at least.

Please note that if possible I will try to keep the number of ads down on the site. I say "if possible" because I must try my best to secure the site's economy.

I know that right now it seems like I'm just piling the ads on each others (because that is exactly what I'm doing) but time is needed to test these out to see what works best. I've no idea how these popunders work since I haven't tried them before. Maybe they are prevented by 99% of the site's visitors browsers by default, even without an adblock plugin. Maybe they pop once a day per subdomain instead of just once per day. I dunno. But I know that they are supposed to pay really well and if that turns out to be the case the other ads will be reduced in frequency.

Taking this step has left me feeling a bit ill, and that's also why I've made today's big update to try and make amends for something not even done yet (the update improved search.asp and flash.asp among other things). But what I find helps make the ill feeling go away is thinking about how these ads will keep the site running.

... and i'm still being blocked.

I've added an exception for *.swfchan.* but apperantly the site doesn't like that.
Also tried to turn it off completly, still to no avail!
anyone else getting similar problems?

I have no Ad blockers and I have even made cookies enabled big time...
However, i still see the message and idk what else I can do to 'Remove ad blocker' when I never had them in the first place.
Anyone else had this problem or know what to do with chrome?

i'm haveing the exact same problem as the previous two posters. i have no add blocker at all and am still getting the message to disable it. i'm afraid if it keeps up i will find another site because this one is no longer any good.

There's something with it that I must have overlooked, or something just suddenly changed in a plugin for some users that it worked for before. Even if it still did what it was supposed to do for most people I can't use it if it doesn't work like it should for everybody. There's probably a way to fix it but I don't really feel up to do a lot of testing on this right now, best be just to rid the whole thing.

It might return later if I figure out a better system for it, depends on how much the income will drop for the site. But for now it's gone. I'll restore the usual nagging later sometime (the top message that asked you to unblock ads, it was there before the adblocker-blocking took its place). You will be able to ignore and hide the plead as usual if you don't wanna help.

Apologies for the frustration that this undoubtedly has caused.

I will still be trying out popunders as planned since the site's economy remains to be pretty bad and no doubt this removal of the adblocker-blocker will reduce the current income. I should get around to it on Sunday.

The following month or so is to be considered a time of testing. I will measure how much each type of ad brings in for swfchan and after the testing period has ended those that does not benefit the site's economy in a substantial way will be either removed completely or at least reduced how often they are shown.

I hope you understand that this is needed to secure the future of the site. I will try my very best to find a way that brings the site enough money to allow its continuing existence while being as close as possible to a minimum nuisance to its visitors.

I beg you all to bear with me during this testing phase starting today.

All comments, feedback and opinions are appreciated. For example I am interested to hear what ads you are getting. What do the popunders display for you? Is there any odd behavior? Assume that no ad show the same thing for every visitor, the ads that I see are not the same as what you see.

Not entirely sure what their called, but those adds that crop up as an in-window pop-up are bloody annoying. It's one thing to have those adds and have a kill button (which one of them does), but there is another that does not (at least I think it's only one - it's the one that asks for age confirmation), leaving me with having to reload the page to get rid of them.
Personally, I don't mind the adds so far (bar the above), but mind you don't get carried away. Having a few scrolling corner adds, like that chat service one, is ok - the user can get rid of it and it is not too intrusive. Even one, or even two, pop-unders is ok as well, but having four or more every time you click a link (like one site I know and loath) is a great way to quickly lose your user base. It also makes your site look infested with viruses and other nasties.
A good idea would be to take advantage of that captcha window you use. You have a lot of white space that you could use to add in small advertisement links, kinda like the ones at the top of the screen.

>don't get carried away
I try not to. I will probably have to add more popunders in addition to the current single one, but they don't trigger on every click. Actually the popunder is only supposed to show up once per day per user, however since swfchan works across several domains and subdomains they show up once per day per user per subdomain.

>A good idea [...]
That might be something. Maybe it's not needed since the popunders are being used, we'll see when the test period is over if anything else is required.

I know you guys can't run the servers on wishes and thoughts about the size of the universe, but please don't turn this into a masochistic freak-show.

remember that the more user friendly the site is, the more people will want to go and the more the advertisement space is worth meaning you need less adverts and therefore more people go here... etc.

The redirection ads I would like to be able to do something against, but I have no idea exactly which one of the ads that are causing the redirect. It's probably the fullscreen commercial break that does it. I will read up on if I can write some script of my own that battles their script that tries to change the page, but I doubt it's possible.

Turned out to be a week instead of a month since I saw a pattern sooner than expected.

All ads on swfchan.net and swfchan.org has been removed completely. Only exception are the donation ads located at http://mix.swfchan.org/mystuff/, but they are blank 99% of the time anyway. This change will most likely be permanent, at least until usage of swfchan.org explodes (I don't see that happening any day soon).

Almost all ads on swfchan.com are gone as well. You can search, check flash info, use services etc without ads. This change will probably stay, depends on if ad revenue drops a lot during the next week.

The only place where there are ads now is on flash.asp, the page on eye.swfchan.com that has the GET FILE button. There can only be ads when the button is visible, no ad will show up while actually viewing the flash. Unfortunately almost all current types of ads must stay in order to ensure the site's sustained economy, but at least the bottom ad could be removed because it didn't pay anything. I thought the top ad could go as well but it surprised me in performance this last week. We'll see if it continues to do well or if it was just a sudden spike.

One important thing to note is that now the ads only show up on a single page view per visit, and it only counts as a new visit if you've been away from the site for more than three hours.

The plead message has also returned, but only on the pages that show the GET FILE button. If you want to continue blocking ads you can hide this message by clicking a "hide"-link next to it.

Now we wait and see if these changes were OK to make. This was after all just based on a week-long collection of data. If today's changes reduced the money flow for the site I will re-add ads to the entire swfchan.com domain instead of just on flash.asp, hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

What to expect in the future is an additional popunder maybe, depends on if I can sign up with new good adproviders or not. But for now let's see how these changes do.

That's a wrap everybody!

Since the changes made last Sunday the site's earning has been cut in half. It was worth a shot but it didn't work to just show ads on the page with the GET FILE button.

So ads are back on the whole swfchan.com domain. They will appear on one page view per subdomain per visit (counts as a new visit if you are away from the site for three hours). Both swfchan.net and swfchan.org will remain ad-free unless today's change also turns out to be ineffective. But I think this ought to do it.

We'll try it like this a couple of days or a week and see how it goes.

tl;dr
I would keep the ads unblocked if they weren't that annoying.

There's finally enough money being generated for the site to cover all the regular expenses and to buy some new server hardware. I will order new disks this week.

There are only two page views per visit with ads, one on swfchan.com and the other on eye.swfchan.com. True that these two are really heavy page views with lots of bothersome ads but at least the site will be completely ad-free afterwards on all domains for the rest of the duration of your visit.

Just keep in mind that life is water and not stone; I might try out new things here and there from time to time in order to see what is most profitable. Things change, especially online ads. For example if I ever get into JuicyAds I will try out their popunders plus other ads too probably since all the testing I've done this summer really only covers AdultAdWorld. Banner ads are worthless on AAW but maybe they are worthwhile on JA.

Many thanks for putting up with me during these three months of trying to figure out how to fix the site's economy.

Gelbooru has a lot more traffic than swfchan, most likely they have at least ten times more unique visitors per day. Since they are a gallery people might be more prone to click banner ads, something that really doesn't work well for swfchan. Besides the banners they also use popups, and a 10 sec commercial break video that shows up every now and then instead of the normal page.

Since they have so many more page views they can get away with not having sliding ads or overlays (more page views means more accidental clicks on the banners). If I was only considering profit I should really have banners on every single page views on all swfchan top domains since that would pick up more accidental clicks, however I prefer just having two ad-infected page views and then let the visitor have a clean surfing experience.

Having many ads on just two pages is much better than having some ads on all pages, in my opinion. Of course it adds the risk of the visitor just leaving the site immediately due to him thinking the site is over run with ads, but so far I haven't noticed a huge dip in the number of flashes viewed per day so it seems to be working fairly well.

I've pulled myself together and acquired a verified account on Juicy Ads, which means one more popunder ad will start appearing on those couple of ad-infested page views on the *.swfchan.com domain. I realize that two popunders are more than twice as annoying as just one but please bear with me.

Right now things remain as they are, just also with this new popunder ad. But later on I will be playing around with the other new ad opportunities that has opened up for the site. I doubt that anything else will be worthwhile but it'd be daft not to try.

Here's a list of all the things you have to go through in a single page just to do something on swfchan:

>THIS AD BROUGHT TO YOU BY AD WORLD!! (IT'S ABOUT LIVEJASMIN!) (Skip this ad)
>LIVEJASMIN POPS UP AND FUCKS WITH THE ORDER OF THE WINDOWS SO YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT PREMATURELY
>FAKE-ASS CHAT WITH A VIDEO CLIP OF SOME RANDOM GIRL THAT RISES FROM THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER, THEN FAKES YOU OUT WHEN YOU TRY TO EXIT IT
>PORN- PORN EVERYWHERE
>BULLSHIT
>finally click something
---
>THIS AD BROUGHT TO YOU BY AD WORLD!! (IT'S ABOUT LIVEJASMIN!) (Skip this ad)
>LIVEJASMIN POPS UP AND FUCKS WITH THE ORDER OF THE WINDOWS SO YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT PREMATURELY
>FAKE-ASS CHAT WITH A VIDEO CLIP OF SOME RANDOM GIRL THAT RISES FROM THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER, THEN FAKES YOU OUT WHEN YOU TRY TO EXIT IT
>PORN- PORN EVERYWHERE
>BULLSHIT
>click something else
----
>THIS AD BROUGHT TO YOU BY AD WORLD!! (IT'S ABOUT LIVEJASMIN!) (Skip this ad)
>LIVEJASMIN POPS UP AND FUCKS WITH THE ORDER OF THE WINDOWS SO YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT PREMATURELY
>FAKE-ASS CHAT WITH A VIDEO CLIP OF SOME RANDOM GIRL THA--
>quit right there...

The ads you DID add are terrible. I would understand a few banner ads and left and right margin ads but you went overboard with the pop-ups and disruptive ads that follow you all the time.

And that's my ¢2 on the matter.

If you change what ads you display, it'll be just fine.

I'll mess around with the ads later and see if anything can be done about them to make things better.

All ads are back on all three domains of swfchan BUT (hear me out) I've made sure the ads are now only displayed on exactly two page views. One page view can be on .com and the other on .net or .org for example. It's also made sure that no ads are shown when a flash is being viewed.

I've split up which ads are shown on these two page views so that a single page doesn't feel so extremely heavy. On both page views the top and bottom ad is shown (the bottom ad is new btw, trying out banners from JuicyAds), however they switch place on the second view.

Other than those two banners the first page view holds the two popunders because they generate the most income. I'm however not sure if both of them will pop on one and the same click. I don't think so. Could be a problem and something I'll have to try and fix later. The first page view also holds the fullscreen interstitial ad, except that it's not a fullscreen anymore. I've moved it into an iframe so it is more similar to a overlay ad now. Ignoring that it looks better I think that it might have been a problem before, making people close down the swfchan window in belief that it was a popup.

The second page view holds (other than the top/bottom banners) the original overlay ad plus the sliding ad. Since the popunders and the fullscreen is not displayed with them I think this doesn't make one feel overwhelmed with ad-rage like before.

That's what we're trying out now, let me know if you preferred it the old way with all of the ads on the same page. Personally I like this two page view setup better but if most people prefer just one ad-infested page view I could switch back because that would probably be more optimal for profit anyway (since all ads would be shown for visitors that come here from search engines and only view one page).

>>4880
The banner/overlay/slider ads are based on both clicks and how many times they are viewed (probably mostly upon clicks though, especially the top and bottom banner). With some accidental clicks a day it does work out okay and I believe that some people actually do click the ads out of curiosity. Question is if they understand that it's an ad or not... To my understanding the popunders are only based upon how many times they are viewed a day, it doesn't matter if they are clicked or not.

Sometimes anti-virus does a too great job in alerting people about threats that aren't dangerous at all. "Yeah I just cleaned up this bad boy cookie here. Nah, no need to worry. I got it. Put up one hell of a fight though. You just keep paying for them updates and I'll protect you, as you can see I'm very busy keeping you safe."

I would remove the bad ads if I could but I don't have any control what so ever over the ads that actually gets displayed (it's a kind of automated random rotation, based on the country people is in).

The reason why I don't stop using the ad provider all together is because I am balancing the safety of the site's visitors against having no ads to show (since I don't have better ad providers to use than this).

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to have swfchan as safe as possible BUT the thing is: none of these bad ads actually pose any real threat to 99% of the site's visitors since they have a modern OS with a modern browser, which these bad ads don't stand a chance against. Sure I feel bad for Abdul in Africa, but to be honest his old rig might have to be sacrificed for the greater good.

If he catch any virus from the ads on swfchan he'll probably catch a lot more from elsewhere too. Besides, if he has an anti-virus program the threat should be cleaned up anyway if it actually infects his PC somehow, so many of those that do get taken by the ads will be saved by their anti-virus. Most people these days should have that installed since Microsoft give a free one with Windows called Security Essentials (which is damned excellent and easily on par with non-free ones).

I'm not ignorant enough to believe that these attack-ads aren't somehow effective though, they must do their job on a few people in the world or else they wouldn't invest money in showing them in browsers. However I believe many of the bad ads relies on the user being stupid enough to for example download a exe file and run it. Or stupid enough to run several year old and heavily outdated software. Of course I'm not saying they deserve it, just saying that I have to balance this against having no site income.

>>5182
Are you sure it was actual scareware and not just a popup? The difference is that the popup might look like scareware but goes away as soon as the popup is closed, while actual scareware is installed on your computer and does stuff like disabling your firewall and keeps bugging you about buying their fake anti-virus program even long after you've enabled your adblocker again.

>>5196
At the moment you should only get two popups per day. However, it depends on the ad provider's script and on which top domain you are on.

AdultAdWorld gives one popup per day per subdomain (due to how their JavaScript is written to read cookies, I can't change that), while JuicyAds will give one popup per day per top domain. For example if you visit swfchan.com and eye.swfchan.com you should get 3 popups in a day (two from AAW, one from JA). If you also visit swfchan.org and swfchan.net you should get 5 popups (two from AAW, three from JA). Note that how long a "day" is depends on what the adproviders have defined in their script. Also note that AAW popups aren't installed on swfchan.net or swfchan.org because they somehow generated 0 money per day. Some bug in their code I reckon.

If I could I would make it so that the adproviders read com/net/org as the same domain but I can't change their script. They can't do that either because of a built-in security thing in today's browers (about cross-domain cookies). It can be worked around (like I've done with the top and bottom banner ads) but it's tricky to do and very hard to do for the ad providers without doing a lot of work and in the end it'll only be used by me and maybe a handful other sites that work across several top domains. It's not fully reliable either.

That corner ad that you are talking about shouldn't even be there anymore, are you maybe using some kind of mirror service to access the site? I've removed the fullscreen ad, the overlay ad and the sliding corner ad. The only ads you should get right now are the top/bottom banner ads and the popups.

What browser do you use? Version number too, please. Operating system and anything else would also be helpful. Also could you try clearing your browser's cache and see if you still get the corner ad? It worries me that you still see it.

--

A heads up btw: The reason I removed the fullscreen/overlay/sliding ads was because they suddenly started paying really shitty, only 10% of what they got before. Don't know why since the site is till seeing around the same amount of visitors. The popups have also started paying less lately, seeing a rough 30% drop from them. Maybe the providers are running out of ads to provide? Sucks because just as I got a new files2-server for the site the ads started paying less.

Anyway, the heads up is that I might have to start experimenting with the ads again. Don't know when or how, I'll give things some time and see if the income drop is just temporary. I think I'll start by making sure the stuff I removed still pays shitty. Also I'll see if popups from AAW can be installed on .net and .org without giving 0 income, guess I'll contact their costumer support. I'm sure that'll bear a lot of fruit...

Have a very happy new year everyone, I wish you all the best in 2013.

>>5205
Glad to hear that the corner ad is gone! Sounds like you're almost getting the normal amount of pops too: right now it should be two on swfchan.com, then one on swfchan.net and another on eye.swfchan.com (due to what I wrote in >>5199). Sounds strange that you are getting three on swfchan.com since only two are installed. Also you shouldn't get them more than once per day, not periodically from time to time during a day.

Wish I could do something but it's the ad providers code that must be at fault. Unless you are clearing your browser cookies periodically over the day? Then the pops will forget that they have popped already.

I tried writing a controller script myself before to show the pops better. Had my own cookies that worked on all subdomains, then if it was time to pop the script would dynamically load the ad provider's pop script from their server. Full control. Sounds good on paper but I had to remove it because it reduced income by 90%. Guess the ad providers had some kind of anti-cheat thing that didn't like the pop-script to be dynamically loaded. Or they simply depended on being loaded in-line with the page content.

>hope 2013 brings great things for SWFchan
I'm sure it will!

would i please consider unblocking the ads? Well sir i would have to say the answer to that would be a simple "no", just because of the fact the last time i did that and let your spamfest of ads pop up i got the fbi virus on my computer directly after i let the page load. Now im not saying it was your fault or anything, but viruses like to piggyback on ads, and looking at porn is simply not worth letting my computer become broke, since i was barely able to fix it after that.

Ill try this once more. Sorry dude i will not be unblocking my adblocker. I tried to set it for this site so you will not collapse, but the last time i did that for you, i got the FBI Virus exactly after the site loaded, and it took over my computer in a bad way, i was barely able to do a system restore. Now im not saying its your fault, but ads like that like to piggyback on ads and my computers life is simply not worth some porn. I would suggest something a litttle less intrusive like adfly or linkbucks, but i will not disable my adblock for here anymore.

Ill try this once more. Sorry dude i will not be unblocking my adblocker. I tried to set it for this site so you will not collapse, but the last time i did that for you, i got the FBI Virus exactly after the site loaded, and it took over my computer in a bad way, i was barely able to do a system restore. Now im not saying its your fault, but ads like that like to piggyback on ads and my computers life is simply not worth some porn. I would suggest something a litttle less intrusive like adfly or linkbucks, but i will not disable my adblock for here anymore. sorry if i multiple posted but that is what happens if first post does not go through.

>>5799 >>5800 >>5801 >>5802
The posting system has a few hiccups which will cause this to sometimes happen (someone posts and the system queues the comment for processing but it doesn't happen until later, then the user goes back and posts again since he thinks it didn't work the first time). Hopefully it'll be less frequent in the future after some changes I made. I still need to make it better some sunny day. Fun seeing how you've re-written your comment though for each post, and in the end your text appear much less hostile. ;)

My father once got something (I assume is) similar to the "FBI virus", it took over the system and pretended it was from the local police and that he had to pay a fine for something he'd done online. Of course it scared him good, luckily he went to me first. Those things are a bitch but my adproviders have promised to get better at removing such bad ads from their network. Other than that I've motivated my thinking with possibly infected ads in >>5199, and it still stands.

Thanks for the idea with adfly/linkbucks however I personally dislike those ads even more than pops. They always have a wait time before you can continue which is very annoying, you on the other hand don't need to wait to close a pop.

I also don't believe those type of ads would be effective for swfchan. This site doesn't link out a lot to other domains and even if it did not many would click them because people are here for flash files and not links leading somewhere else. Maybe I could link to the site's own pages through adfly/linkbucks but that would generate a good deal of wait-annoyance plus confusion, and maybe search engines would get problems crawling the site too. Not to mention uglyness. Obfuscated links are ugly. It would also be hypocritical to use these links since swfchan.org even has had a global rule specifically forbidding them since the imageboard launched (rule 1-17)!

Besides, I doubt that these link-type of ads can compete with the cash generated from pops. What I have right now works, the site's budget is doing better than ever before: Right now ends does meet! Since it isn't broken I won't try to fix it.

Aaaaanyway, a little update of what's going on with the ads:

I have been trying pops from Ero-Advertising for a while up unitl today. They gave terrible income for banners in the past but the pops worked okay enough to keep them around. So why are they gone now? I was foolish enough to ask their support a question and then they discovered that my already-approved sites was apparently breaking their terms of service. They said that the site had underage content and gave me http://swfchan.org/1324/08%20-%20How%20Can%20I%20 Keep%20From%20Singing.swf.html as an example? A Christian music video. Eh? Either they just looked at the thumbnail or they linked incorrectly and was complaining over some loli flash. Or maybe I can't put that video on a site with porn. Not having actually bothered to read their TOS I don't know, but I know that had I not been foolish enough to contact them over some dumb question I would have still had them as ad-providers. Oh well! They were decent enough to wait to block my account for a while so that I can get the final payment, which should come in tomorrow.

Right now it actually doesn't matter too much. The site gets around on what it can get from AdultAdWorld and JuicyAds. AAW finally fixed their bug too so they can pop on .org and .net and not just on .com.

A pop should happen twice a day per domain (JA) or subdomain (AAW). In addition to the pops there are two banners that will show for two page views per visit across all subdomains (unless your browser disallows some cross-domain cookie trixing, then it is per domain instead of across all domains). It counts as a new visit if you are away from the site for three hours.

Let's have a continued great 2013!

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I don't particularly like the ads. I like this site because you can get access to a LOT of free games that would normally cost a bullshit amount of money and too many times they are just lousy. For example, all the meet and fuck demos which plague other websites. Honestly, I really don't want to see the ads. If you can get rid of them, then just do it.

>>6369
How nice that you took the time to make that animated gif! And yeah, I see all of your points. Sadly I have no control over the ads shown, especially that one because it's a dirt-cheap filler ad since no real advertiser want to pay to put anything on .net (or .org) right now.

Filler ads are so cheap that it only gives me something like 0.05 USD per DAY. I would pick the option to not display it at all if that existed. All they have is that I can show my own ad there instead of a filler, which I do (just a link to http://swfchan.com/filler_ad.shtml), however that only shows up once every fourth banner load. Other than that I'm stuck with the dumb low-pay fillers. Could of course remove the code for them but then there's no chance of a real advertiser to step in and pay to display his ad there since the ad slot would have 0 displays.

I really should look around for a different second banner on .net and .org (the .com one actually has real advertisers though) but I would probably just get the same filler deal everywhere, with the same annoying blinking ads. Because that's what a site like swfchan gets.

If annoyance is what caused you to re-block the ads, did you see that the banners aren't displayed on every page view? It only shows up a couple of times. Of course if it was due to your principles than there's nothing I can say to make you unblock again.

Thanks for trying out unblocked ads nontheless, if everybody that blocks did that just to view the ads once and then started blocking again it would still improve the site economy greatly. Btw, you didn't happen to get any popups when you unblocked, did you? Because most probably think those are way worse than the banners.

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u don't have full games?

can't unblock ads page won't load sorry

As long as you do not have "Pop-Ups" that puts "Cookies" on our Computers, then we would be more open on having your ads on our browsers. If no one else agrees with what I typed then, not we, me.

>>7383
That's alright, thanks for trying.

>>7489 >>7492
Cookies aren't dangerous at all, the worst thing a cookie can do is tell the same site that you have been there before. If you mean that there are ads that are trying to install bad programs on your computer, I'm sorry. I haven't seen any of those ads in months myself though so the ad providers seems to be getting better at removing them.

The top/bottom banner ad now displays a bit more, will show up on 4 page views on each top domain per visit. This is mainly because the site's ad providers are paying less.

Also I hate porn adds, I have no problem with porn really... The thing is that if I want to show a swf to a close friend the porn ads are there and you never know where they're at.

They could be in a public computer or at work, who knows and this is inappropriate. I don't want to be responsible if they "get caught watching porn" outside their home.

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i dont know how to download full content of slave maker .please someone upload the full content of slave maker :D or teach me how to do.

I will forgo the ad blocker on this site if you would put an easy reporting system in for games that are not full downloads like the magic book 2 seems to be a bad game, however I will also donate money as well because you do have a great site.

Also, I've got swfchan unblocked already, but doesnt seem to affect anything; everything still gets blocked.

So yeah, this just happened :\
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About the porn ads, yeah I wished that there were safe-for-work ads to display that pays anywhere near the same amounts as porn ads but I haven't found them.

>>8781
Too few interested in that. I figure those interested today would be people that want to download flashes from here just to put them on their own site and compete with swfchan's traffic. Have enough of those people already, don't really want to increase competition further. Also it would suck up a lot more bandwidth than they already do, I actually plan to make a better anti-leech system one of these days but I'm not too motivated for it right now. Currently there are often over 10 IPs that download more than 100 flashes per day from swfchan and I doubt those are legitimate users.

>>8928
You can always categorize non-full flashes as "Unfinished" or "Broken" if they don't work at all. I can accept donations via bitcoin, let me know if you would like to send some. Well, I guess I can put swfchan's old donation address here directly, no harm in it:

14zDFngnYP7XPHRFMo1VnmBaQSzBJrGmNh

Not expecting anything, many have talked about donating but I've never received anything. Or well, that's not quite true, I remember receiving a few bucks via the Prj. W. ads over in The Mix some time ago, so there's a second donation option if anyone is interested:

https://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.ph p?id=63728

>>8931
I tried those before popups and I found they paid much less than pops and created more annoyance. Had some problems with redirections too, they just took the visitors away from the site completely.

Strange that everything still gets blocked but thanks a lot for trying to unblock anyway, mate.

>>8967
I got one of those too, very annoying. I don't have control over what ads show up so I can really just hope that those kinds are cleared away by the ad provider as soon as possible as they have promised to do. Have only gotten the fake police ad once so maybe it has been removed already? Mine looked pretty hilarious, it had a photo of the king of Sweden in it and everything.

Those ads used to be a lot more dangerous in the past when browsers were more vulnerable, once my father's laptop got taken over completely and could not be used unless you paid the scammers money. The message is always the same though, "you have watched CP" or "you have pirated software". I was actually surprised that they actually managed to prevent the popup from being closed in the ad I saw, I thought browsers had gotten safer than that nowadays.

I noticed today that the AdEngage ste looks different, so different that I couldn't even find the log in form. I suspect they have changed owners without telling me and that I have been running their ads for free for two months now. Didn't notice this sooner because it sometimes takes two months to accumulate enough funds to be able to get paid by them. I've sent an e-mail but have low hopes on getting payments.

For now I've replaced their banner ad with one from AdultAdWorld. If they still pay out as badly as the last time I tried them I will replace it again with another banner from JuicyAds instead, but I might as well give AAW another chance.

Since I'm most probably out of a publisher (not sure if I'll go with the new AdEngage, depends on what they say in their mail) I've decided to increase the number of page views featuring banners from 4 to 8 per top domain. This is mostly because I've been thinking about doing that for a while now and I might as well just do it now that I was forced to dig into the code by AdEngage. I'll be seeing if this increases revenue from the old JuicyAds banner, more page views should do that since it should get more interesting from advertisers viewpoint. But it's not a guarantee, if it doesn't I'll set the number back to 4.

The ads on swfchan are still performing very poorly compared to how they did in the past; currently the site is getting just a little over half the money it got this time last year.

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Currently trying out popunders from popads.net on .com. Also trying to get accepted to try adxpansion.com but they don't think swfchan qualifies as a porn site... will try to convince them.

There are a few other crypto ad networks that work with CPC instead of CPM, but just the CPM alone would likely make you way more money than what you're currently getting with the ridiculous amount of ads you have to force on your users right now.

The only complication is in selling the bitcoins every month or two, but depending on where you live, even that might not be much of an issue.

You should also start accepting BTC donations using Coinbase, or just list an address on the site, if you aren't already.

Getting rid of the popups sound like a dream, those BTC banner ads would have to be truly magical to earn as much as the pops. The reason why I'm not jumping on the a-ads train immediately is because it would mean I have to remove at least on of the current ads, which means breaking something that works. The current solution provides usable currency for the site each month while I don't even know where to exchange the BTC for SEK anymore, if I should start getting BTC each month instead.

Concerning donations with BTC, I've tried that before. Nobody donated anything. I got 1 satoshi in several months (0.00000001 BTC). Somebody probably sent that just to mess with me and my efforts with bothering to set up a donation page.

Going to experiment a bit with the pop-ups/pop-unders to see how much they actually bring to the site's income. By all means please don't take this as a glimmer of hope that they will be removed because I reckon they contribute about 90% of the site's income. Pops will be back. Question is if I need to use pops from all three ad providers that I currently have.

Perhaps by removing one of them the other two will go up in profits, thus earning the same amount with one annoying pop less. Having less pops might also increase the visitor count as well, which could possibly increase banner revenue. All this is just speculation though, which is why I'm doing this experiment.

First there will be a couple of days with no pop ups at all. Then a couple of days with only one pop from each of the three adproviders. After than all pops will probably return, but maybe not depending on how this expertiment goes.

I'm doing this reluctantly since I know it will mean less money this month but I'm bugged by all these pops. Have to at least check if something can be done about it.

>>13413
I feel the same way about pop ups. If i am getting barraged by three windows every time I touch my mouse, I tend to turn on ad block.

Pop-Ups are obnoxious, Pop-Unders are outright infuriating to me.

I have absolutely nothing against sites drawing revenue through ad banners, but the ads themselves need to conform to some acceptable standards. AdBlockPlus.org has pretty good guidelines.
https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

Some of ABP's conditions are a bit draconian. I'm fine with static images and animations that either go static after one play or have a very long delay (like 5 minutes) between loops. The rest of it is pretty much proper netiquette.

Here's what I found out: To my surprise turning off all pops did not lead to more watched flashes or more page views. Having just one pop didn't really affect the number of watches either. This is probaby because people have pops blocked anyway or they just accept them when browsing for porn.

As suspected it turns out a little bit more was earned from each individual pop when they were alone on the site. The pop-scripts must have collided with each other sometimes causing only one or two to pop instead of all three.

What I will be doing now is put the pops on rotation, each one of them appearing on their own top domain on swfchan. Every minute or so they rotate to a different top domain. So all three pops are kept but only one will appear per page view.

This should both increase revenue slightly and at the same time make the pops less annoying since it's easier to close one window than three. Downside is that if someone come to the site just as a rotation is happening he might think that the site has pops on every page view, which isn't true.

>>13421 >>13443
Thanks for the feedback fellas, hopefully the pop-rotation will give you a better experience here.

>>13459
I wish those were possible to follow but I don't think pops in any form is considered an acceptable ad. Banners by themselves just don't cut it at all I'm afraid, due to how measly they earn in comparison. I tried without pops for four years before finally giving up here: >>3936 There's just no good non-pop alternative for a porn site, something swfchan understandably is classified as.

>>13465
Alrighty!

We're back to all three pops at the same time again. Popping alone did good for each individual ad while they had the site all to itself, but in practice only popping one at a time and only having 33% of the exposure lowered the overall income by about 60% (what a surprise). Could have worked if each visitor stayed for longer but since many just view one or two pages (watch one single flash) it just didn't work. It was worth trying out though and the rotation system is kept to alternate which ad script gets loaded first to combat that they sometimes seem to cancel out each other.

Been about a month since I last accessed and just got a chain of ransomware locks – this is the fourth time I had to force close the browser and start it up again.

C'mon, Admin: gotta get better at this.

Still getting too many ransomwares.

Resorted to using AdBlock.

Why do you have no new MFN games?

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I think that ads are fine if you need them and pop ups are okay if they will help swfchan, but I stopped Adblock on sfwchan so that I could help outand within 2 minutes a popup from javrequired.com came up that claimed it was Java and that I needed to install the new Java update and no matter how much I tried to close it out it wouldn't let me and kept bringing a wall of text and stopped me from closing it and my computer said it blocked a virus attack from the website.
I had to use task manager to close it and it closed all of my other tabs too, and I had to re-enable adblock on Swfchan. If at all possible, could you make sure the ads you put up for the site are safe and will let you close out of them properly?
I would really like to stop Adblock and help out a bit, but I can't if the ads are going to try and harm my computer. Thanks

Trouble is I can't do shit about it, unless I want to remove ads completely. I have no control over what ads they show and it doesn't matter if I contact the ad providers. From the looks of it they don't have much control either.

Advertisement on swfchan is getting to be a real problem, especially these last couple of months where profits per month from the ads have pretty much halved so far. The reason for this is that Google has stopped sending that many visitors to swfchan. Dunno why but all of a sudden they did.

It happened in April 2014 but I didn't really noticed the effect of it until maybe four months ago. In one single day (in April) the daily visits went from around 32000 to 23000, just like that. Those 9000 extra visits that came from Google meant a lot for the ad revenue, especially since many of them didn't block ads. When I got ~32k visitors 44% of them saw ads, when I got ~23k visitors 38% saw ads. The daily ad impressions went from 14080 to 8740.

Can't really figure out why swfchan suddenly ranked so badly with Google, it happened so suddenly. But naturally this kills the ad ratings, meaning crappier ads and less direct ad-slot buys. Right now swfchan has over 60% return rate, meaning that the site doesn't see that many new people. I'm very proud of that number since it means a lot of people see a lot of value in swfchan and keeps coming back, but I don't think it does the ad rating any good on the site.

My point of this is I don't know what to do really, on one hand the ad situation is bad (with crappy ads) but on the other if I remove the ads there will be no money for the site and since it has earned so poorly since April there isn't much of a buffer either. I know that Google made some kind of change in their system in April, involving how it counts visitors on different subdomains or something, but I have no idea how to repair it since I dunno what's broken. I need to figure out a way to start getting new visitors to the site.

I know that removing ads completely could help some people to not just flee from the site as soon as they arrived but it's risky if it doesn't pay off (those that have bought the ads for a period of time won't be happy I figure). At the same time I'm thinking about that time during the summer I did try with no ads globally on the site and I noticed that it didn't help the visitor count at all.

If anybody have any idea of how to bring new visitors to the site I'd be glad to hear it, I've even considered asking some sites to do banner swapping but I'm not sure anybody that would benefit swfchan would be too interested.

http://postimg.org/image/n1r67cl13/

I reported the url to Google Safebrowsing. I ask everybody that founds this page (or similar ones) please report it here:
https://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badwar e/

>>15102
When I filled the report I only explained the malicious page behaviour, nothing else.

I've tried adding Google Analytics back to swfchan, just finished inserting the tracking code. I had it before to be able to see how many visitors I had each day but removed it since I build my own stats system and I didn't want people to be tracked by Google needlessly.

However, since they are sending less people to the site now I thought that it's worth to test putting their tracking code back in and see if they start sending more people here again. Many (if not most) of swfchan's visitors are direct and not linked from other sites so maybe this way Google has a way of actually knowing that the site is used by people.

With time it could mean improved search ranking in their index. Or maybe it turns out not to help at all in which case I'll probably remove Google Analytics again. I will not really be able to tell until some months has passed though and then I have to factor in other possible stuff that might have improved ranking as well. Worth a shot at least.

Pagelocking me with fake java update pages improves your site? No, I'm going to keep the adblock, and you may suck my balls. thank you.

Went to swfchan.net. Clicked in the search box. Instant popup.

Feel free to email me when you've removed popups. I'll happily remove you from my blacklist. Until then, I generate no money for you.

Going to try reducing the pops for a month and see if the amount of visitors goes up and the amount of bad pops goes down.

I believe all the bad ads are from AdultAdWorld, simply because I've had trouble with them in the past. They usually generate the most money for the site so removing them will really cripple swfchan's income, but if they are actually causing the site to lose visitors due to shit ads that's no good. So they are gone during this month.

JuicyAds gave decent income in the past but yesterday they only managed to display their pops about 4000 times out of 24k visitors. Sure a lot have ad-blockers or at least popup-blockers but that number is terrible. I think they actually pop even though an ad isn't displayed as well (blank pop). Their payout per 1000 displays have gone down too so their pops will be gone this month.

PopAds dot net will however stays since they have managed to stay at pretty much the same income level while the other two have gone down. Besides, I can't really afford to remove all pop-income for a month, it would be too long.

So what's left? One pop from PopAds (instead of three total pops) and the top/bottom banner ads from JuicyAds. At around 7:th of November I'll check the stats and compare visitor numbers to see if these pop-removals actually did a lick of difference and that will determine if the site will go back to popup Hell or not.

In the meantime I'm open for suggestions of how to bring new visitors to swfchan... I've talked a bit with the admin of 8chan about a banner exchange but I'm not sure it'll go anywhere since he wants me to add 8chan to swfchan first but for me to do that I need him to support original file names of uploaded flash files (don't want a bunch of random numbers added to the database). We'll see how that thing works out, he hasn't responded to my last mail two days ago.

I've also thought about setting up a Patreon account for monthly donations to the site? Seems pretty good but I need to know how well they protect their customer's personal information first. Anyone had experinece with Patreon? Anyone interested in actually donating? Donations didn't work in the past but maybe that was because there were no fancy middle hand like Patreon involved.

...fiver doesn't sound like much but I'm poor at the moment

I could always just encourage people that donated to block the ads and not feel bad about it!

>>15341
Every little bit would help. I haven't really checked into Patreon yet, it all would come down to how they handle privacy. All I know is that they can't send money via PayPal if the project is mature (which swfchan would fall under).

Don't even know if the site would be allowed as a project over there since it has VERY mature content (the loli stuff would probably be the biggest problem I'd imagine). What I could do if swfchan isn't allowed is to make a Patreon for something like http://eye.swfchan.com/services/flvmaker/ and people that want to support the site could just support that.

>>15396
>less than respectable associates
Sounds like a cool guy if he knew about swfchan!

Thing is though I can't really go around spamming on forums and such, that's just rude (and takes a lot of effort). But I am trying something new today in that I've started a subreddit for swfchan. Will post about it in its own thread.

I've noticed that Google has started sending more search traffic to swfchan again since 4 days ago (doubled over night). I thought this might be because there were no longer any bad ads here. But it could be because Google Analytics were added back to the site as well (could be very likely since they started sending more search traffic again pretty much exactly 3 weeks after the Analytics code were added back). It might also have something to do with the swfchan subreddit that was started, since Google likes positive links from high-ranked sites, however that is probably not too likely. Finally it could be a combination of things.

At the end of this 'month of less ads' (around 7:th of November) I'll probably add back 1 popup from JuicyAds and wait with AAW and see if Google still send search traffic here. If they stop I'll know there's something fishy with the ads from JuicyAds (unless PopAds has started serving bad ads frequently as well today like you said Horsie). AAW might not be back ever... but I don't know, maybe I'll try them again in a while and see if people start complaining about bad ads again. AAW paid the best per popup so it could be foolish not to at least try them again one more time.

I've actually not noticed any difference in site usage during this month of only 1 popup instead of 3, less pops didn't seem to do anything except reduce the site's money. However it wasn't all bad to do this since Google started sending more poeple here again, and that's a big deal, but that might have been because of the Analytics being added and not because there were less/better popup ads.

So that's what I'm thinking right now. 9 or 10 days left of the 'less ads'-month. I've yet to look into Patreon as well.

The month of having less ads that began >>15316 has ended. As I wrote in >>15831 there hasn't really been any increase in views from removing the additional popups, so I see no reason to keep them removed. However, Google did start to send more people here via their search engine again. It's possible that this is because bad ads were removed, but it's also possible that it's because Google Analytics were re-inserted into the site (giving them some info on people's site usage).

I'm only adding back one pop for now, the one from JuicyAds. I believe they have non-evil popup ads so Google shouldn't have a problem with them. I'll keep it this way for at least a month just to be sure, if Google start sending less people again I know that JuicyAds might be a problem. If everything is looking fine after a month however I'll probably add AdultAdWorld back in December as well and try having three pops once again. Yeah I know it sucks having three of them but AAW did generate the most from the pops and like I said removing the ads didn't actually increase the number of watched flashes.

I still haven't looked into Patreon... It's because of three things. I've been occupied with other stuff but foremost I don't think enough people are interested in donating. Also I kinda doubt they will have enough level of privacy that I'm comfortable with. I will look into it sooner or later though, it's worth a try at least.

Let me know if any bad pops turn up (stuff that take over your browser). Also let me know what browser version you have, please. If possible the source of the ads would be nice to know as well (PopAds or JuicyAds), though I realize that might be impossible to tell.

I like the popads also

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Google hasn't reduced the number of visitors it sends here so looks like JuicyAds isn't servicing bad ads either. I'm now adding back the last provider, AdultAdWorld. I suspect these are the true bad guys, problem is that they also pay the most so I'm a bit conflicted. Maybe they've fixed their shit by now though? It's been two months after all.

Let's see how it goes. As usual, please let me know if you get any bad ads (the kind that you can't close or that try to install viruses).

I am so like this sate.

When I click anywhere upon loading I'm presented with not 1, not 2, but THREE popups for ads. There's also ads all over the top and bottom.

If you have to cant afford this site and have to use such bad ads, just let the site die gracefully.

In other words, get a real job.

i like it i like very much

By the way, some days ago, while browsing swfchan I found another ransom website specially targetting Spain. It was the typical infinite looping alerts, and the web page behind them told you to call a premium call line to get rid of them. Ah, and they had the balls to call a premium call line "free". It was using a 905 telephone number, this numeration is used for phone-voting and to entering raffles. It has a fixed cost of 3€ plus taxes.

Would it be possible to include to every page in swfchan some "ad tracking text" or something to be able to pinpoint the source of the ads? This way every time someone catches a malicious ad, they only have to screenshot and copy-paste some text from the swfchan page that created the ads/popups, and post it to this thread...

They are now getting $$$. Why are we missing out?

Too much text for me on that chat log page you linked to but I noticed that Patreon apparently shut down 8chan's account just because of a petition? That sucks. Here I was thinking of trying Patreon for swfchan instead of ads... well, been thinking about that for almost a year now. Still should try it but it really would suck if it was working and then all of a sudden they pulled the plug.

With all the shit I've seen on Patreon it bothers me when they decide to single out 8chan just because some people don't like the site. What about all those that liked the site enough to even give it money each month? That's some grade A thought police bullshit right there.

That's just the reality of it for most people. We aren't blocking ads to kill ad-funded websites, we do it out of security concerns. Performance is a secondary reason.

Have you considered other venues to help cover the hosting costs of swfchan? People seem to enjoy throwing money at Patreon and services with userbases similar to swfchan (or so I would assume) such as Gelbooru and Saucenao have recently started using it with varying levels of success.

I've seriously considered Patreon. Even drafted text and milestones and thought up some kind of rewards for donators. But after doing some research I don't think they provide me with enough privacy. Not only do I have to send in a W8-BEN form but I would also have to submit a "Foreign tax ID number", which I think is equal to my personal identity number here in Sweden. That's as far from being Anonymous as you can get.

I got curious and looked through my paypal records and...

"Jan 2, 2009 - Transaction ID 2HK15256TK115xxxx"

If that's the only one you got, then that is me!

Nobody was interested in donating anything. Although now that I think back I might have actually gotten one prank donation: someone sent the lowest possible amount you can send via Bitcoin, meaning the transfer fee he paid was thousands of times higher than what swfchan actually received. Of course it's impossible to exchange such a small fraction of a Bitcoin to any other currency, very funny whoever sent that.

The highest donation that was ever received was via the ProjectWonderful ads on the "The Mix" section of swfchan. Three people (plus/minus one) gave in total a couple of bucks when counting all together (can't recall the specific amount, probably less than 10 USD).

I am usually against people who run adblockers. I think that it is a lousy way to take away from the website that you frequent just because you aren't in the mood to see a flashy banner or a harmless pop-up.

Unfortunately, this opinion has slowly become more accepting of these programs.

I have always been fine with the advertisements on this website. I knew when to expect them and was more than happy to spend a few seconds dealing with pop-ups to support the website. In the past month or so though, swfchan has been showing me the screamer-esque "your computer is infected/locked/under-investigation/etc" that require a number of clicks and dialogue boxes to get through. They are not what I would consider legitimate advertisements and serve no purpose but to scare and scam users.

I am sorry that I will be one of the many others that will continue to block ads on this website. I don't mind normal pop-ups, advertisements to other porn websites or even the occasional commercial; however, I will not put up with a website that has these loud, browser-locking advertisements.

>>22744
I'm actually (finally) going to try replacing the ads with Patreon donations. Hop on over to the discussion at http://swfchan.org/7666/ if you feel like helping out. With a little luck the pop ups will be gone by Christmas.

Only counting visitors that actually pulls flashes from the archive: 25% of them only make a single get, 68% makes less than 10 gets. These people will only need to solve one or maybe two captchas at most. Out of the remaining 7% that actually makes 10 or more gets there's probably at most 1 in 100 that would be willing to pay for not having to solve captchas. I'm betting they are those big batch downloaders looking to expand their own site.

People that give 5 bucks on Patreon will be able to get 30 flashes before they need to enter another captcha, that would cover the need of 98.7% of swfchan's daily visitors. Sure they do need to enter a captcha per day but it's just a single captcha and it's still just two captchas a day for most of that remaining 1.3%. So no, there will never be a way around the captcha completely because only those that want to download thousands of flashes will get something out of it.

i love this site

I've tried many different things to try and fund the site, I held out against trying popups until 2012. Now when it's starting to look like Patreon won't save the day, after a year of trying, the only option is to get some new code that isn't blocked as much. Because only popups have ever worked. Shit sucks but what am I to do? Adblockers will get rid of these pops as well soon enough.

There's a dedicated thread to ads over here: http://swfchan.org/488/

Yesterday fresh adcode was installed on the site that some adblockers aren't picking up on yet.

There's discussion going on about it in this thread:
http://swfchan.org/9895/

The freeze-upon-click thing is odd but maybe something that can be dealt with, which browser do you use? I'll try something in the meantime, let me know if it still freeze upon click in an hour after this post.

Edit: Have changed the code now, does it work better? You might have to clear your cookies to make the pops pop again.

Ouch. I'll keep with the annoying ads, at least they pop up, but are impractical sometimes on mobile (sometimes the browser gets crazy and opens the popup on top of swfchan and you have 0 swfchan pages and 3 tabs of ads...), hope this mobile bug doesn't come to main site, what it didn't till now.

I don't mind the popups so much. They pop up, I close them, problem solved. The ads that I can't stand, and the one that you need to get rid of ASAP, is the one that opens a new tab, beeps like crazy, and starts telling you to give them your credit card info or your harddrive will be deleted in 4 minutes and 36 seconds. It is obnoxious, and it crashes Chrome nine times out of ten making the site unusable whenever it happens.

The scary thing is they're actually getting THROUGH my adblocker as well as activating my antivirus

All the malicious Links try to redirect so some direct IP.

Please let me know what country and state you're in and the URL of the malicious ad (what's shown in the browser's address bar when you actually get the virus warning). That way I can send an e-mail to all three providers I'm using and ask if they serve ads in that country+state leading to that URL. If yes I can then ask them to please stop serving those ads to swfchan.

It's tricky dealing with these situations since all I do is send them traffic and they take care of the rest. I have no control at all over what ads are actually displayed. Can't even set the price per 1000 views, it just goes up and down each day seemingly at random. Ads are served for hundreds of different clients and what is being shown differs depending on where in the world you live. I've never gotten a virus ad here in Sweden (I've checked from several IPs) but that doesn't mean the ads can't be bad if you live in Massachusetts, USA. On top of it all I don't know which one of the three ad providers that actually serves the bad ad.

The final nail in the coffin however is that they might serve an ad which leads to URL X, but then that URL redirects to URL Y which finally redirects to URL Z where the virus is. The client could also set up their page so that it doesn't redirect people on IPs close to where the ad provider is based in the world so when the providers inspect the client it looks completely legit and innocent.

Hello,

Just letting you know you're running malicious ads right now, ones that pop up even with ublock and have those outlandish "warnings" about ip logging and shit.

Investigate the issue.

Not sure how it's getting around uBlock Origin though - my antivirus is catching it.

It's coming from the domain fhawywadfjlo.com (for me at least). Try adding that to blacklists.

Meanwhile please let me know if the worst types of ads are still around, with as much info as possible (browser, popup url, the country you are in, type of ad etc).

It's not just that domain, it gives random websites from time to time, for now it's showing to me as "www.bhjhijisulwl.com/vE.swf", but if i come back later it will change to another website, so i can't just block it using adblock.

I have GETs to:
http://www.bhjhijisulwl.com/da.js
http://bhjhijisulwl.com/hPoUM.php

uBlock logger shows: http://bhjhijisulwl.com/hPoUM.php?etc

Like I mentioned in the real ad thread >(>>1012, might merge this thread into it) all I do is send them traffic and they take care of the rest and throw a few pennies my way. I have no control over the ads showing nor do I even get to decide how much money an ad view cost. So it all comes down to a "take it or leave it"-situation, since these are the type of ad providers I can get due to the porn on swfchan.

http://hhwqfmqyqoks.com/VPj.htm?etc

At 11:48pm, GMT November 1st
I'm in CA the USA.
I tried clicking on http://swfchan.com/27/133666/?trackmania.swf from the http://swfchan.net/27/133666.shtml?trackmania.swf page.

My IP address in the email field. (admin edit: cheers, got it and cleared the field)

I'm only providing this much information because it subsequently directed me to

http://get.adobe.com.flashplayer.wwwimages2.adobe .com.www.adobe.com.artrockx.com/?etc

which tried downloading some flash "downloader", and then opened up

http://hhwqfmqyqoks.com/hYyn.htm?etc