http://boards.4chan.org/f/thread/3265858/nearer-m y-god-to-thee
https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/ado be-flash-update.html

So many lies. Adobe just wants to drop swf like a hot potato.
A hot potato of steaming shit.
Like they care about the format of the past that made them what they are today. They just resent the liability to even care about it anymore.

It will only be truly devastating if they refuse to open source Flash player. If they choose not to, then Adobe is telling everyone that the past two decades of internet history are completely irrelevant. A great number of works of art would be lost for good.

Thank God Flash is dead.

This is a good thing. Especially for SWFchan. This means that people who use niche sites like this one and NewGrounds (yes, NewGrounds is niche. It's definitely not mainstream, anymore) can continue to use Flash without being nearly as concerned about security exploits circling around the web, because Flash is no longer the precedent. You know why MacOS "doesn't get viruses"? Well, unlike what Apple says, there are a plenty of horrible bugs for make, but not nearly to the calibre that Windows and other UNIX(-like) operating systems experience. Why? Because MacOS makes up 10% of the desktop market and practically 0% of the server market. It's a small target, and there's not as much incentive to write and circulate MacOS exploits as a result.

Granted, there's still bad stuff for Flash users out there in the wild, and with no one to maintain it, they're going to remain unfixed; but for Flash, that's like plugging holes in a colander. It's fundamentally a piece of shit software. But it has so much cultural significance. It would be a good idea to use pepperflash instead of vanilla Flash because of sandboxing. I'm no security specialist, but I would imagine using a pepperflash wrapper in Firefox would be a better idea than just Flash in itself, too, even though it doesn't have sandboxing.

>>51768
You don't know what you're talking about. Reduce app sales? Like hell. I'm the first one to point out how much Apple and Microsoft love to shaft their userbase, but, if there's one thing that I can respect Apple for doing, its their contributions to open web standards. Make no mistake, I'm not saying that Apple or Steve Jobs or whatever were some kind of idealists or anything other than a public traded company who's sole interest is to please their shareholders, but there are were just so many practical reasons why shouldn't have been supported on iOS. The first of which is security, which Flash doesn't have. It just doesn't. Imagine what that does to a brand if you pair that with Flash. And then Apple couldn't proliferate the myth that Apple products are virus-free.

Come on, this is the same company that recently got rid of the headphone jack standard just so that they could implement their own solution to a non-problem and earn a shit ton of license money. 3.5mm is completely free and works with god-damn everything while you can't even make the most basic adapter for the new Lightning crap without forking out a ton of money right into Apple's pocket.

Though I forget, people had been crying out for something that sounds just as good as 3.5mm but is impossible to repair yourself and is four times as expensive. Something with exposed connectors so that corrosion will destroy it faster with time so you get to buy a new one. Apple were the libirators that finally had the courage to answer the call! Just like they had the courage to look at flash and just say NO. No to free games, no to something that had become de-facto standard on the web due to its well-spread usage and most of all no to something they did not own and couldn't possibly make money from.

Many blame Google for flash's demise since they refused to let you publish your own swfs on YouTube, despite the fact you can easily strip away all ActionScript except what Google deems is absolutely safe. I'm not saying they were at all blameless in that regard, it's absolutely true, however when Apple's iPhone got super popular and people couldn't use YouTube in their phone's browser due to Apple's refusal of allowing flash on there, what else could Google do than to start looking for other solutions. That is what started flash's demise, none other than Apple.

Is there a way to solely from the .swf to give someone a virus? Sure you could redirect to a website that gives you one but it's not quite the same.

>flashlike HTML5 authoring tools are nonexistent. Do artists have to start using javascript to cobble together <video> + SVG + CSS transform + WebGL shader monstrosities without a WYSIWYG editor?
Pretty much. In other words, Flash-like content is dead.

This may be the first time in history we're experiencing the death of a major digital art form due to tools fading into obscurity.

Opentoonz, Studio Ghibli's fork of professional flashlike vector+raster animation tool Toonz was open sourced just last year, but it has no interactive content authoring tools, doesn't export to vector formats like SVG and only renders directly to png frames or ffmpeg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCLMp2rR0c

>>51781
The whole point of my argument was that Apple's stance on Flash and web standards was an exception to the precedent they set. I made a very concerted effort to make it clear that I wasn't trying to exonerate Apple or anything, and you come back at me with one giant ad hominem, a shit tonne of projection, and a rant on Apple policies that have NOTHING to do with Flash, nor my argument. In the same way that open-source relates to free software, there is plenty of utilitarian merit to an open web. And what I'm saying is that sacrificing the benefits of proprietary software for free software was a reasonable choice. You want to know why? Because Flash is proof of the consequences of proprietary software. You should know that. The fact that Flash is no longer officially maintained is just a bonus. And webkit, gecko, and spidermonkey are proof of the benefits of open-source.

read carefully the post from Adooboo... they admit that pressure from their "partners" i.e. M$, Facejew, Googull, et.al. are responsible for their "decision" to bin their flagship moneymaker.
It makes you wonder just what side of their bread is buttered...
NO, it doesn't! It makes you realize just how pwnd they really are!
Flash is dying at the behest of monopolistic forces.

>>51828
http://eye.swfchan.com/flash.asp?id=168326&n=I+sa id+never+give+up.swf

What's your stand on this Ants? Will you pull the plug on this site when push comes to shove? Ad income will even further decrease most likely to 0 by 2020.
Do you intend to archive as many swfs you can by then? All of newgrounds for example, etc.
Maybe switch to a html5 container archive like it's the new /f/ (lol as if that would happen).
Do you intend to still serve a niche community like nothing happened. Or build a swf-viewing-tool, like a VM with an old browser and plugin of flash. Or an archive of all plugins and standalone projectors at least?

Does this really just imply that even more normies and newfags will drop and the ones still coming to an swf community will be the same as always?
I mean, projector.exes are not going anywhere anyway.
And security issues might be immortal by then, but still less enticing for scammers at the same time, because noone is ought to fucking use the thing anymore.

Personally, I'd really love a trustworthy download location of the last version of the NPAPI, PPAPI plugins and projectors, because it would be a nightmare to get them from an integer source at that point, and even my system might need a fresh install at some point in the future.

On a different, less paranoid note, I was just thinking about how I had to use Flash when I was going to college in order access my grades, read the online textbooks that I paid for, and participate in my online courses. Of course, I like to use Flash recreationally, but there's a HUGE difference between using Flash to play some shitty porn games and using a known insecure, proprietary software as literally the only means of viewing my grades and participating in my classes. It was kind of fucked up. But in the context of our nation's education budget, I suppose it's unsurprising. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for colleges all around the West to change their infrastructure to something more contemporary and hopefully more open.

The direction W3C took with EME/DRM was pretty depressing in most respects, but in the context of Flash, it's kind of uplifting in a way: the fact that DRM can now be implemented in an open manner, while perverse, also means that's there's an incentive for universities to move all their shit to HTML5 and still manage to wring out every single penny from their student body via ebooks. Yay?

I don't think I'll be bothering with any HTML5 stuff, at least not if a single-file container format doesn't come around. I archived the Newground flashes with a 4 or 5 star rating many years ago, should try doing another run.

Anyways, I hope swfchan's priority will be securing a method to keep the old .swf files easily accessible in the post-Adobe future (be it shumway or anything else) rather than looking for a flash replacement.

Luckily you can still access the original flash files via source code, for example after searching in the source code of http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595081 for ".swf" you can get: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/595000/595081_etern al_saturday_flashvers.swf

Perhaps there's a setting for those that are logged in to show the original flash instead of the video version, if available.

Why Newgrounds decided it was a good idea to hide this option unless logged in I don't fully understand. It doesn't necessarily have to be the default option any more but if people want to show the original format why not let them? It saves a ton of bandwidth for the site too.

My best guess is they want to encourage people to adapt their creations to the limited movie format and hiding the swf option for as many as possible makes more creators get into the mindset of thinking video is the only option they have. People watching video versions of flashes are missing out on stuff after all; mini-games or animations that could be just in the pre-loader or other interactive easter eggs during or after the main feature. It creates a split in the community between those commenting on the full experience and the people watching just the video version that don't understand what the rest are talking about.

- "Great pre-loader!"
- "What pre-loader?"
And soon enough:
- "What's a pre-loader?"

I'm gonna try to download every version of flash so It can be archived.
I'll have to find a good place for hosting them..

I'm working on archiving Newgrounds right now btw. I can't believe the amount of "blammed" entries.
So many flashes, gone...

YO! This is exactly what Bibanon is there for! You really ought to get in contact if you haven't. Archicing historically important site slike Newgrounds is our amongst our top priorities.

>I can't believe the amount of "blammed" entries. So many flashes, gone...

yeah the blaming system bit them on the ass on the long term. lot's of people ahve lamented historically important flashes getting blammed because people 10 years later had no way to know the joke and voted 1/5. dumb, dumb thing.

>>52112
Newgrounds has been economically struggling for years. They are one step away from swfchan's problems when it comes to funding. Ideas like the gold accounts and swf to video convertion made things a little easier for them. I don't have a good knowledge on what gets visited the most, but I'd put my guns on the hardcore userbase still funding them via donations / gold accounts and minimal add revenue from games.

With that said, it's obvious things are gonna change pretty hard for them, html5 or no html5 . Newgrounds may go under pretty soon, they have been made completely irrelevant in every niche they took part of, and first youtube robbed them of most animation revenue, and now their last niche will be lost as their games will be unplayable.

Newgrounds pioneered some things, it was soundcloud before soundcloud, it had comedy sketches before youtube. It also tried to partake in niches where stablished giants always got more attention, such as deviantART (that only got outcompeted 10 years later with Tumblr). I doubt they wanted money, I'm quite respectul of Fulp and I'd like to assume they genuinely wanted to give more features for their communtiy / shitflinging arena to play with, but they didn't watch out for any looming changes and slowly bled relevance until it ebgan costing them money. it's a shame, really. It was a good community,, despite all the autistic kids.

>>51961
>You'd think they would want to use their foothold as the biggest flash site instead of trying to compete with YouTube.
"biggest flash site" has meant jack shit since 2010, and they realized that way too late.

>Why Newgrounds decided it was a good idea to hide this option unless logged in I don't fully understand. It doesn't necessarily have to be the default option any more but if people want to show the original format why not let them? It saves a ton of bandwidth for the site too.

I don't know much about bandwith consumption, what I remember frm investigating when I originally noticed the change was that they though they'd save on bandwith costs by doing it

regarding "making them think there's not option but to use video", that's really irrelevant - 99% of all internet animation is made on flash

So including deletions and skipped IDs, if there are any, that's 18259 submissions on average per year for 2014-2017. Submission ID 175k was in July 2004, meaning 2004-2014 the average was 64270. Newgrounds was created July 1995, so they had 19444 per year the first nine years. These are very loose numbers but they are going backwards for sure. Of course this doesn't include their audio and art sections at all so they aren't completely irrelevant just yet.

While I was writing this post entry 697477 just got deleted. Not even blammed: "ERROR — This project has been removed by the Newgrounds moderation team."

It was just a stick figure walking around on a screenshot of his computer's desktop. Poor guy was just wondering why his last work got deleted...

Just noticed that Newground's file server's robots.txt is blocking Wayback Machine from archiving flashes.

.swf: 7.91 MiB
360p .mp4: 15.9 MiB
720p .mp4: 31.8 MiB
1080p .mp4: 115 MiB

The bandwidth used for one view of the 1080p movie file could have delivered the .swf version to 14.5 people. I'd be surprised if there's a video version anywhere on Newgrounds that is smaller than the source .swf file, even at 360p. Unless it's a .swf that can't be converted to video without losing something, like a flash loop where the audio and visuals are advancing separately.

>>52221
Looks to me that they send the video in full to visitors even if they have paused, there's no clever buffering going on. Doubt it would have saved that much anyway even if they just send a part of the video.

Also I noticed that some of the "otaku" games from the ads on swfchan have a message directing the user on how to properly enable flash in firefox.

I'm taking down the header about this on .com/.net today (looks kinda empty now) but the screenshots linked to will stay up for archival purposes:

http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future1.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future2.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future3.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future4.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future5.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future6.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future7.png

We'll forever remember the 25:th of July as the saddest of days. Looks like the event isn't recorded yet on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_25, there must be some kind of mistake.

Phase 1 is complete, downloading the files, naming them in some useful manner and checking which ones that aren't already on the site. swfchan already had 40804 of their flashes and their new names have finished being inserted into the database, which looks like "<title> by <artist> (<upload date>ng<id>) <original filename>.swf".

Phase 2 is inserting the never-seen-before flashes into swfchan, problem is there's 168089 of them at 356.07 GiB. I need to buy a new SSD and backup disk for the server just to fit them all. However since I'm sure almost all of these files aren't of any interest to the people browsing swfchan I'll not be rushing out to do this today, in fact I'll probably filter all these files from the front page when the time comes so that the content people actually want to watch doesn't get drowned in stick figure flashes from Newgrounds.

So just to let people know that I have the NG flashes stored, just not added to the site yet. It'll happen eventually. I'm not completely done with downloading yet either, there's around 600 flashes or so that I have yet to figure out if they can actually be downloaded from Newgrounds or not.

I've noticed that they have problems with many special characters in filenames, for example various asian letters, there's a whole lot of flashes that can't be watched on Newgrounds because they encode the URLs to them incorrectly. Most of them I've been able to re-encode so their file server can understand what I want. Some of those 600 flashes actually requires you to be logged in in order to play them though, which the spider I built for this purpose didn't support when crawling. Had no idea they had started to require people to log in sometimes during later years, it wasn't the usual "verify your age" bull either. Strange.

>>53964
They already did that to most of them besides games or animations that are heavily interactive.

Adobe has begun actively encouraging people to uninstall flash with a prompt upon boot and a link to the following page: https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of -life.html

http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future8.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future9.png (end-of-life.html)
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future10.png
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future11.png (enterprise-end-of-life.html)
http://swfchan.com/flash_and_the_future12.png

also, it might be useful to state that the projector exe isn't affected by this, so grab a copy as long as it is possible

The projector exe is titled "Adobe Flash Player" so unless they are just bad at expressing themselves it sounds like they have bricked the projector as well.

Really, the only problematic discovery was the killswitch inside the plugin.
Still hoping on some /f/ anons being able to somehow modifiy that (or SWFAnts if he's feeling generous).

>>53797
off topic but any chance you included newgrounds secret forum for supporters in in the archive do you also have a scrapper for their forum as well im kinda curious (is there a way to don8 BTC there I don't have card)

>>51736
speaking of scene does anybody have flash game box .apk it disappeared on the play store and i can't find it on my old tablet along with adobe air apk

>>80585
now back to the topic is there a way to prevent win10 from updating to newer windows builds while being able to use chrome internet (im kinda worried they might put politics inside EULA just like linux CoC remember this is 2020 not 2002 hell even google does it now)

lastly is there away to install tamper monkey on Android i wanna create an experimental flash player cuz webgenie succs on newer devices